10th-level Rainbow Servant + Mystic Theurge

[sledged]

Suppose I have a Wizard 5/Rainbow Servant 10 (from the Complete Divine). The character now meets the spellcasting requirements of the Mystic Theurge. What happens to the character's spellcasting ability when it takes a level of Mystic Theurge? Does its spellcasting ability increase by one or two levels?

 

[Pax]

Excuse me?

No Wizard(5)/Rainbow Servant(10) qualifies for Mystic Theurge. To be aMystic Theurge, you must be able to cast second-level Arcane spells and second-level Divine spells. a Wiz(5)/RS(10) casts only arcane spells (caster level 11, access to 6th and lower spell levels).

Furthermore, the spellcaster increases of a Prestige Class apply only to a BASE class!

Let's say you were a Cleric(3)/Wizard)3)/Mystic Theurge(10). You cast divine spells as a 13th level cleric, and also cast arcane spells as a 13th level wizard.

Now, let's say you pick up a level of Rainbow Servant. That adds one caster level to an existing Arcane Caster class's spellcasitng ability. That menas a class with base spelclasting, not one which says "+1 level existing class", or similar. Thus, you don't add the Rainbow Servant's spellcasting increase to your Theurge levels ... you add it only to the Wizard levels ... therefor, a Wizard(3)/Cleric(3)/Mystic Theurge(10)/Rainbow Servant(1) would cast divine spells as a 13th level cleric, and arcane spells as a 14th level wizard.

 

[CyberSpyder]

Actually, the tenth level of Rainbow Servant gives an arcane spellcaster access to the divine spell list, the spells from which are specifically mentioned to be cast as divine spells. They would, therefore, qualify for mystic theurge.

However, it would serve little purpose, as Wizard is still not a divine spellcasting class, whether or not your particular character can cast divine spells. You'd only go up a single caster level.

 

[Thanee]

Yep, it would just be a very sucky wizard PrC, you were even better off to simply advance as a wizard.

Now, if you had another class (one level only) with divine spellcasting ability, you could just advance that in addition, but you surely cannot advance the same class twice.

Furthermore, the spellcaster increases of a Prestige Class apply only to a BASE class!

Uhm? Why would that be?

Note, that the MT actually specifically lists a PrC there (Assassin).

Bye
Thanee

 

[Hypersmurf]

Note, that the MT actually specifically lists a PrC there (Assassin).

I think he meant to say "A class with its own spellcasting progression".

You can't add "+1 spellcaster level" to a class that itself only has a parasitic progression. You can add it to any class - even a PrC - that has its own separate Spells class feature... like an Assassin.

-Hyp.

 

[Pax]

I think he meant to say "A class with its own spellcasting progression".

Yep.

Sorry for the confusion, Thanee. ^_^

 

[sledged]

No Wizard(5)/Rainbow Servant(10) qualifies for Mystic Theurge. To be aMystic Theurge, you must be able to cast second-level Arcane spells and second-level Divine spells. a Wiz(5)/RS(10) casts only arcane spells (caster level 11, access to 6th and lower spell levels).

Wrong, correct, and wrong in that order. To quote another:

Actually, the tenth level of Rainbow Servant gives an arcane spellcaster access to the divine spell list, the spells from which are specifically mentioned to be cast as divine spells. They would, therefore, qualify for mystic theurge.

And the relevant reference:

Clerical Spell Access: A 10th-level rainbow servant can learn and cast spells from the cleric list, even if they don't appear on the lists of any spellcasting class he has. Such spells are cast as divine spells if they don't appear on the sorcerer/wizard or bard spell lists.

-Complete Divine, page 55, second column, last paragraph.
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Therefore, a Wizard 5/Rainbow Servant 10 that has in its spellbook the spells, oh say, Aid and Spiritual Weapon meets the spellcasting requirements of the Mystic Theurge.

Furthermore, the spellcaster increases of a Prestige Class apply only to a BASE class!

Yes, yes, I'm well aware of how the PrC feature "+1 level of spellcasting class" works.

I guess the better question would have been, "Does the Rainbow Servant's clerical spell access feature transform the base class from an arcane spellcasting one to an arcane and divine spellcasting one?"

it would serve little purpose, as Wizard is still not a divine spellcasting class, whether or not your particular character can cast divine spells. You'd only go up a single caster level.

And therein lies the answer to my question.

How about a Wizard 7/Rainbow Servant 10 gaining a level in Heirophant? The Spells and Caster Level feature doesn't make any distinction between arcane and divine spellcasters. It only refers to "the character's base class" which in this case would be wizard. Would the character similarly be denied the caster level increase granted by the PrC?

 

[Pax]

Yes.

Heirophant increases a divine spellcasting class. Wizard is not a divine spellcasting class, even if you gain the ability to cast some divine spells.

 

[The Iron Mark]

Now the problem here that was found on the Char Opt. boards at Wizards is what defines a divine spellcaster?

 

[sledged]

Heirophant increases a divine spellcasting class.

Where does it say that?

Now the problem here that was found on the Char Opt. boards at Wizards is what defines a divine spellcaster?

More specifically, what defines a divine spellcasting class? You wouldn't happen to have a link to said topic on the Wizards boards?