20th level arena challenge. comments?

[Clovekiller]

How long between "in game" matches? That is to say, do wizards get all their spells replenished between matches? Is there time to, say, cast a commune or augury or some such between matches?

No time to cast between matches, but you start the next match in identical condition that you started in. (equipment too).

 

[IcyCool]

The build also has a 50 AC (dex +5, mithirl heavy fortification-soulfire breastplate +1, animated tower shield +5, bracers of armor +8, amulet of NA +5, ring of prot +5, dervish +3, and haste +1)

The armor bonus from Bracers of Armor and the mithril breastplate don't stack, so the AC you are looking at is 10 (base) + 5 (Dex) + 1 (Enhancement on the breastplate) + 8 (tower shield and enhancement) + 8 (bracers of armor) + 5 (amulet of natural armor) + 5 (deflection from ring of prot) + 3 (dervish) + 1 (haste). For a total of 10+5+1+8+8+5+5+3+1 = 46. If you can afford to enchant the breastplate up to a +5 enhancement, then you hit 50.

 

[Thanee]

We arent allowing any material from any of the psionics books. We feel the same way about them. I'm curiouse why you think metamagic rods should be banned?

Because they allow the already very powerful spellcasters to exceed their own spellcasting ability and give too much benefit in such an environment.

You'll know what I mean, once you see what quickened Time Stop and the likes can do.

Bye
Thanee

 

[Hypersmurf]

That wouldn't work, anyways. The DM has to approve every magic item beyond those printed in the book.

Also...

So item creation without paying for it yourself is definitely out of question.

It wasn't actually item creation; it was use of a Wish Spell-Like Ability to create a magic item.

They removed the value cap of magic items from Wish in 3.5; nonmagical items are limited to 25k gp, but magic items aren't. The way this is balanced is that the XP cost of the Wish spell used to create a magic item is "twice the normal XP cost for crafting the item, plus 5000XP".

So the market price of a Ring of Unlimited Wishes is 9 x 17 x 1800 + 5000 x 100 x 5... close enough to 3 million gp. The XP cost to create is 9 x 17 x 1800 / 25, + 5000 x 100... about 16000. So the Wish to create a Ring of Unlimited Wishes has an XP cost of 16000 x 2 + 5000, or 37000 XP.

SLAs have no XP cost.

So Wish as an SLA to create a Ring of Unlimited Wishes has no XP cost.

'The Wish' is a character entirely based around that loophole. A Gated Efreeti is commanded to use his Wish SLA (he's Called, not Summoned, so the 'will not use SLAs that would cost XP if they were spells' clause is inapplicable) as an 'immediate task' to produce a Command-Activated, Unlimited-Use Ring of Wish.

As far as I can tell, the use of a SLA Wish to create a 3 million gp magic item 'for free' is completely and utterly legal in 3.5. The only issue is 'Does the DM allow a Ring of Unlimited Wishes at any price?'

-Hyp.

 

[Nail]

As a complete aside: in the past (in 3.5e, and knowing the problem), I limited wish-created Magic items to roughly half the mundane gold limit. House rule, I know...but fair?

 

[Hypersmurf]

As a complete aside: in the past (in 3.5e, and knowing the problem), I limited wish-created Magic items to roughly half the mundane gold limit. House rule, I know...but fair?

Well, the limit in 3E was 15k for both magical and mundane. In 3.5, it's 25k for mundane and none for magical, but magic costs extra XP.

If I were going to limit it to 15k for magical, I'd probably remove the extra XP cost (just the normal 5k).

But then, I haven't done a lot of DMing at the levels where Wish is an issue!

-Hyp.

 

[Clovekiller]

'The Wish' is a character entirely based around that loophole. A Gated Efreeti is commanded to use his Wish SLA (he's Called, not Summoned, so the 'will not use SLAs that would cost XP if they were spells' clause is inapplicable) as an 'immediate task' to produce a Command-Activated, Unlimited-Use Ring of Wish.

As far as I can tell, the use of a SLA Wish to create a 3 million gp magic item 'for free' is completely and utterly legal in 3.5. The only issue is 'Does the DM allow a Ring of Unlimited Wishes at any price?'
-Hyp.

If wish cant duplicate a 9th level arcane spell than why could it create an item which can duplicate a 9th lv arc spell?

 

[Hypersmurf]

If wish cant duplicate a 9th level arcane spell than why could it create an item which can duplicate a 9th lv arc spell?

A wish can produce any one of the following effects.

• Create a nonmagical item of up to 25,000 gp in value.
  
• Create a magic item, or add to the powers of an existing magic item.

XP Cost: The minimum XP cost for casting wish is 5,000 XP. When a wish duplicates a spell that has an XP cost, you must pay 5,000 XP or that cost, whichever is more. When a wish creates or improves a magic item, you must pay twice the normal XP cost for crafting or improving the item, plus an additional 5,000 XP.

There's no limitation given on the value or effect of the magic item.

-Hyp.

 

[Rystil Arden]

A wish can produce any one of the following effects.

• Create a nonmagical item of up to 25,000 gp in value.
  
• Create a magic item, or add to the powers of an existing magic item.

XP Cost: The minimum XP cost for casting wish is 5,000 XP. When a wish duplicates a spell that has an XP cost, you must pay 5,000 XP or that cost, whichever is more. When a wish creates or improves a magic item, you must pay twice the normal XP cost for crafting or improving the item, plus an additional 5,000 XP.

There's no limitation given on the value or effect of the magic item.

-Hyp.

Here's my house rule on the matter: By plotting some graphs, I decided that the Wish spell can't be used to duplicate any magic item of value greater than 83,333.33 in this way. Why that number? Assuming that 1 XP = 5 GP, the Wish-caster pays a GP equivalent amount of XP to the crafting price of the item (solve: 1/2 Market + 1/25 Market * 5 = 5000*5 + 1/25 Marker * 5 * 2). Plus they lose about half a level on this. Also, I rule that the fact that SLAs don't have an XP cost means that SLA-users are incapable of using Wish to create magic items, since they don't have the ability to imbue the necessary extra XP.

Your mileage with these may vary.

 

[SeRiAlExPeRiMeNtS]

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