D&D 5E 20th level Wizard vs the World

[Helldritch]

The 5ed wizard is probably the only caster able to pull off a world domination scheme. The next one might be the bard but he would lack the punch to back up his claim if push come to shove. The sorcerer, of all the casters, is probably the least capable along the druid to pull it off. The cleric will be able to do it way easier than the wizard as the cleric will have a god to back his claim.

But of the non divine casters, the wizard is the most likely to succeed. The wizard's spell selection and versatility is unparalleled and many forget that he will not be alone, ever! The wizard will have constructs, clones, contingencies, simulacrums and tons of protection to do it. Such a wizard will have/need decent charisma to convince people without magic (so no standard array but point buy would do). This will be the kind of wizard that will rely a lot on minions and allies. He will not be a megalomaniac that wants to control everything, these are the kind our players beats all the time. That wizard will have willing allies and they will share his vision of what the world should be. And that wizard might not be evil himself, lawful good can be obnoxious too in its tenets.

So our wizard will try to eliminate potential oppositions with laws and minions. Scrying spells will be used along divinations to find the strongest and fastest growing opposition. And remember, that as long as the wizard protect the right and appears to care for his people (or his chosen ones) they will follow him. Good or evil, the masses will follow through fear or zeal they will. Even more so if the leader appears to be just and righteous. Being accepted as the natural leader will be the hard part, but if achieved that will be a very hard leader to remove.

 

[Hohige]

Detect Magic is cast upon oneself. And in a world with a D&D amount of magic ubiquity there would be people casting detect magic around the king basically all day long as a basic security precaution.

Defeat them with Psionic Mind Spike and The King is Dominated
Order him to defeat any caster trying to cast a spell or come closer than 30ft.
Easy.

 

[Hohige]

The 5ed wizard is probably the only caster able to pull off a world domination scheme. The next one might be the bard but he would lack the punch to back up his claim if push come to shove. The sorcerer, of all the casters, is probably the least capable along the druid to pull it off. The cleric will be able to do it way easier than the wizard as the cleric will have a god to back his claim.

You couldnt be more wrong.
Say hello to The Aberrant Mind Sorcerer that by far stronger than The Wizard for World Domination.
Nothing can compete against his Mind Controlling and Social Manipulation and defeating his Enemies with Impunity.

 

[Helldritch]

You couldnt be more wrong.
Say hello to The Aberrant Mind Sorcerer that by far stronger than The Wizard for World Domination.
Nothing can compete against his Mind Controlling and Social Manipulation and defeating his Enemies with Impunity.

A one trick poney vs pure versatility. Stop right there. You're just embarrassing yourself.

 

[generic]

A one trick poney vs pure versatility. Stop right there. You're just embarrassing yourself.

Fool, the story implications of the Fiend Pact Warlock are clearly superior.

I have a literal Devil lord at my back.

 

[Hohige]

A one trick poney vs pure versatility. Stop right there. You're just embarrassing yourself.

Aberrant Mind Sorcerer has more spell known than The Wizards prepared spells.
You are just embarrassing yourself.
The Aberrant Mind has more versatility, Psionic casting, metamagic, improved Sorcery Point casting and regaining Sorcery Point every short rest.

 

[Helldritch]

Fool, the story implications of the Fiend Pact Warlock are clearly superior.

I have a literal Devil lord at my back.

I bow to your logic. But I still think the wizard to be superior in that optic of world domination. The wizards will have faithful minions. The warlock... not so. But if he dies and the job was rightly done; he might be rewarded to become a devil himself ?

Aberrant Mind Sorcerer has more spell known than The Wizards prepared spells.
You are just embarrassing yourself.
The Aberrant Mind has more versatility and metamagic, improved Sorcery Point casting and regaining Sorcery Point every short rest.

Yep. But the sorcerer is still a one trick poney that could and will be very vulnerable once alone as the sorcerer will not be able to have constructs and minions at his beck and call if every thing crumbles around him. Not so with the wizard (and the warlock which I was forgetting).

I understand that you really like sorcerers, that is cool. But do not let your love for the class blind you to its shortcomings. I am not a player and on the rare occasions where I get to be one, I go Paladin all the way through. But I do not let my love for the paladin blind me. The wizard is a though one to beat if he as time to prepare and does not gave megalomania as a flaw. You assume one on one. It is never that case with a wizards. There is a reason that all great almost immortal casters in the lores are wizards and not sorcerers...

 

[Hohige]

I bow to your logic. But I still think the wizard to be superior in that optic of world domination. The wizards will have faithful minions. The warlock... not so. But if he dies and the job was rightly done; he might be rewarded to become a devil himself ?
Yep. But the sorcerer is still a one trick poney that could and will be very vulnerable once alone as the sorcerer will not be able to have constructs and minions at his beck and call if every thing crumbles around him. Not so with the wizard (and the warlock which I was forgetting).

I understand that you really like sorcerers, that is cool. But do not let your love for the class blind you to its shortcomings. I am not a player and on the rare occasions where I get to be one, I go Paladin all the way through. But I do not let my love for the paladin blind me. The wizard is a though one to beat if he as time to prepare and does not gave megalomania as a flaw. You assume one on one. It is never that case with a wizards. There is a reason that all great almost immortal casters in the lores are wizards and not sorcerers...

I beg to disagree.
Every day the Sorcerer can cast more than 12x Upcasting 9th Psionic Geas with Heightein spell.
With +17 carisma check, advantage and Magical Guidance for reroll a failed skill.. ALL with Impunity. The Aberrant Mind Sorcerer regains SP each short rest. Aberrant Mind's Telephatic Speech helps to mentally manipule creatures without drawing the attention of other creatures.
Can the Wizard compete with It? Obviously not. A wizard hasn't 5% of the Aberrant Mind Power.

 

[Helldritch]

I beg to disagree.
Every day the Sorcerer can cast more than 12x Upcasting 9th Psionic Geas with Heightein spell.
With +17 carisma check, advantage and Magical Guidance for reroll a failed skill.. ALL with Impunity. The Aberrant Mind Sorcerer regains SP each short rest. Aberrant Mind's Telephatic Speech helps to mentally manipule creatures.
Can the Wizard compete with It? Obviously not. A wizard hasn't 5% of the Aberrant Mind Power.

Not only does he compete, he does it better. The wizard will have iron golems, with an "s", flaming skulls and zounds of contingencies in case of revolt. Your poor sorcerer will be alone in the end. Again, you see only a part of the problem, I look at the whole picture. One on one, you "might" be right, depending on the wizard's school. But you make it clear, only one sorcerer will pull it off. All wizards can do it. Not just one type, in a book that your DM might or might not have at that, but all wizards with no exceptions. That is how versatile wizards are. You can't say as much for all sorcerers. Look at the whole picture my friend, do not limit yourself to one subclass, rake all of them.

Only the wizard class can pull it off with all subclasses.

 

[Hohige]

Not only does he compete, he does it better. The wizard will have iron golems, with an "s", flaming skulls and zounds of contingencies in case of revolt. Your poor sorcerer will be alone in the end. Again, you see only a part of the problem, I look at the whole picture. One on one, you "might" be right, depending on the wizard's school. But you make it clear, only one sorcerer will pull it off. All wizards can do it. Not just one type, in a book that your DM might or might not have at that, but all wizards with no exceptions. That is how versatile wizards are. You can't say as much for all sorcerers. Look at the whole picture my friend, do not limit yourself to one subclass, rake all of them.

Only the wizard class can pull it off with all subclasses.

The sorcerer can control more than 12 creatures per day that lasts "forever" for free and with Impunity. It also can defeat a hostile creature with impunity on social encounters. Can you compete against it? Explain your "trick"
The aberrant mind is just better than all wizard subclasses together.