224 page book on Drow yet...

[Fishbone]

I hate elves mostly because of the people playing them either want to be hawt women, openly racist, or rip off pop culture icons. Legolas was Drizzt before Drizzt.

 

[Endur]

Which dragon mags had the Vault of the Drow articles. I quit getting the around #300, but I have 3 or 4 recent ones.

Dragon #298 had part 1 of the Vault of the Drow in the Living Greyhawk section. I think Dragon #300 had part 2. Paizo doesn't list the articles on Paizo's website for some strange reason.

 

[Kae'Yoss]

We can forget the 4e rumors. It won't happen. Because the world is coming to an end!

Why? I tell you: By chance, I read a part of Felon's post that someone quoted. It's him telling people to stop stereotyping and bashing people for stupid reasons. And I agree with him I and Felon agree on a topic. If you wonder why it's so bright outside, that will be the rain of fire, and the knocking on your door will be the dead raising from their graves - after a nap this long, they really need to use your bathroom!


Seriously: I know there are freaks out there who copy Drizzt to a double Z. But that doesn't mean that every single drow character is crap. Same goes for elves, dwarves, Vampire players, AD&D 2e players, FR or Eberron fans, French, Jews, or anything else. Stop hating and start thinking.




And did I read someone saying that because the book is said to have 224 pages rather than 160, they won't buy it, but with 160 they would have? Run that past me one more time.

IMO, Salvatore ruined drow.

Yeah, that man is awful. I really hate how he brought so many people to D&D.

Here you go:

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Oh good that is awful. Don't let that fall into the hands of any RPG haters, it's like handing nukes to terrorists and then telling them that they're wusses who would never use them.

I have Draconomicon, Libris Mortis and Lords of Madness, and I was confidently expecting to buy the next one in the series. Until I found out it was going to be dedicated to a single, evil sub-race, which has a level adjustment ....

I don't think that DotU is part of the monstrous series.

Drow-bashing seems to be a popular sport amongst some gamers!

I mean, you're not a really cool gamer unless you make it clear how much you are bored by dark elves. How Drizzt-clones make you yawn.

Not just drow-bashing. As I said already, bashing anything seems to be very popular, and some people will go to great lengths to find something to bash. It's what I hate most about the roleplaying community.

On the other hand, making a cool sourcebook on Fey would be difficult at best, and probably not a hot seller. (course, done right it could be truly sublime!)

I think it might still come. And I think it might be good. I sure want a "Courts of the Fairies" book in the monstrous series.

The Greyhawk drow might have more "heretics" (i.e., worshippers of gods & demon lords other than Lolth) than Faerun, or so it seems to me.

I don't know too much about Greyhawk drow, but in the Realms, they have their own pantheon with something like 5 deities. And especially Vhaeraun and Eilistraee have some larger communities on the surface. The non-Spiderkisser-Drow are surely fare more numerous than Lolth's propaganda suggests.



Oh, about me and drow:

I am playing a drow character right now, and have played two others before (though both didn't live very long - taken out by bad luck both times): One was a CN rogue with no strong tendencies towards good or evil (though he did work in a good party), the second was a CN favoured soul of Vhaeraun (with evil tendencies). The current one is a CE swordsage, and definetly Evil with a capital E. They could all be called rebels, as none of them likes female chauvinism or Lolth, but since rebellion and treachery are major racial traits for drow, that's hardly unusual.

 

[Faraer]

In the original conception the drow worshipped various demon lords, of which Lolth was preeminent in Erelhei-Cinlu. Deities & Demigods listed her under 'ELVES, drow' in Nonhumans' Mythos, and she came to be thought of as 'the goddess of the drow' in the published Realms and, mostly, TSR's version of Greyhawk.

And especially Vhaeraun and Eilistraee have some larger communities on the surface. The non-Spiderkisser-Drow are surely fare more numerous than Lolth's propaganda suggests.

Still, the largest Eilistraeean surface communities number only in the dozens.

 

[TarionzCousin]

We can forget the 4e rumors. It won't happen. Because the world is coming to an end!

Why? I tell you: By chance, I read a part of Felon's post that someone quoted. It's him telling people to stop stereotyping and bashing people for stupid reasons. And I agree with him I and Felon agree on a topic. If you wonder why it's so bright outside, that will be the rain of fire, and the knocking on your door will be the dead raising from their graves - after a nap this long, they really need to use your bathroom!

Well, at least I'll enjoy the break from the constant rain! (I live in Portland, Oregon, Northwest USA.)

Oh good that is awful. Don't let that fall into the hands of any RPG haters, it's like handing nukes to terrorists and then telling them that they're wusses who would never use them.

Did you notice the two scimitars? They were real. The costume party required "literary characters." It was half done in jest, and everyone got a kick out of it. Hopefully the terrorists won't find the pic.

Not just drow-bashing. As I said already, bashing anything seems to be very popular, and some people will go to great lengths to find something to bash. It's what I hate most about the roleplaying community.

Bashing is bad, I agree. It occurs in just about every society, not just gamers. Drizzt is popular, so there will be plenty of "me, too" type gamers who want to play a similar character. Most gamers want to create their own characters, I believe. We can all co-exist together. <group hug>

I think it might still come. And I think it might be good. I sure want a "Courts of the Fairies" book in the monstrous series.

Me, too. Goodman Games' Complete GT Fey looks interesting. There isn't currently a review of it here, but the ToC on Goodman's site seems to indicate some Fey politics, including a Court of Dreams, a Court of Nightmares, and a Court of Twilight. I want Seelie and Unseelie courts, politics, and story hooks for potential involvement of PC's. Does anything currently available have that?

P.S. My girlfriend is a gamer, and she is currently running a half-drow wizard in my 3+ year FR campaign. So far, I have no problems with Drow. They can be interesting and provide an intelligent humanoid enemy for PC's. I just ignore whatever bothers me, same as with everything else I DM.

 

[GeorgeFields]

Dragon #298 had part 1 of the Vault of the Drow in the Living Greyhawk section. I think Dragon #300 had part 2. Paizo doesn't list the articles on Paizo's website for some strange reason.

Thanks! If that's correct, I should have them both!

 

[GeorgeFields]

Yeah, that man is awful. I really hate how he brought so many people to D&D.

Awful doesn't describe it. I think he's a great novelist.

It's a shame you hate the fact he brought so many people to D&D.

The fact he is a great writer and brought many new people to the hobby doesn't change the fact he ruined drow IMO. Until his novels and TSR / WotC jumping and the fandom of Drizzt, drow were great adversaries and always caused the players to step back when encountered. Nowadays, it's more lke: Hey! Drow! Let's kill them and take their trinkets!!

 

[rgard]

Awful doesn't describe it. I think he's a great novelist.

It's a shame you hate the fact he brought so many people to D&D.

The fact he is a great writer and brought many new people to the hobby doesn't change the fact he ruined drow IMO. Until his novels and TSR / WotC jumping and the fandom of Drizzt, drow were great adversaries and always caused the players to step back when encountered. Nowadays, it's more lke: Hey! Drow! Let's kill them and take their trinkets!!

1E thru 3.5E...always been and always will be:

"Drow! Let's kill them and take their trinkets!!"

Of course the fading of drow enchantment in sunlight did slow things down, but not if the MU had a permanency/wish or two ready on a scroll.

Therefore I look forward to the new book and new kewl stuff we can liberate from the hapless Drow.

Thanks,
Rich

 

[GeorgeFields]

1E thru 3.5E...always been and always will be:

"Drow! Let's kill them and take their trinkets!!"

Of course the fading of drow enchantment in sunlight did slow things down, but not if the MU had a permanency/wish or two ready on a scroll.

Therefore I look forward to the new book and new kewl stuff we can liberate from the hapless Drow.

Thanks,
Rich

I'm not boycotting the book at all. I didn't mean for my statements to insinuate so. It's unlikely that I'll get it, though. The reason has nothing to do with the content. I already have plenty of source material on drow.

 

[Seeten]

I will buy the book. I like Drow. I liked the R.A. Salvatore novels. I like playing Hawt chicks. I like min/maxing and powergaming. I like synergystic feats. I build to concepts. I dont like underpowered characters. If there are any other stereotypes I missed in the thread, I am sure I fit most of them.

Oh, and I guess my BadWrongFun is terrible, and offensive to you.

Lucky for me, it seems WotC is catering to me, and those like me, at your expense. Terribly sorry about that. I guess you guys will need to get over your angsty, emo driven "Drow Hating" and move on to more balanced lives, not driven by single minded, creepy hate for a mythical race. Perhaps less obsessiveness, and simply skip the books that dont appeal to you, in favor of books that do? Or perhaps its that you are so obsessed with "collecting" D&D books you cant skip one, and thus must rage against the machine that would publish such a work?

I mean really.