D&D 5E (2024) 2nd level casters are disappoint

[Zardnaar]

Yea.

There's also the daisy chain wake up which can make waking all enemies/allies net 0 additional actions lost when only having a single enemy left awake.

It's also the major concern with Hypnotic Pattern.

I mean it's not a wasted spell, as you cost N enemies each 1 action, but it's potentially a heck of a lot weaker than typically assumed.

Yup.

I prefer the holy trinity of control spells. Hypnotic pattern+fear+slow. Upcastable Hunger of Hadar might become a thing idk.

Death is also best debuff any edition.

 

[ECMO3]

Rangers don’t get Entangle in 2024. Otherwise I would have said yes!

Yes they do.

 

[ECMO3]

There's not really a way to spam it at level 1 unless your whole party has it or something. But yea, by CR 13 you should have enough slots to spam it.

6th level Glamor Bard can cast it twice every round for a minute.

 

[FrogReaver]

6th level Glamor Bard can cast it twice every round for a minute.

You did notice I said "at level 1"?

 

[ECMO3]

Heh. I've seen magic missile being used to wake PCs.

"I'll take damage"
"You have healing right"
"Yes"
"Want to wake up or not"

1d4+1 later.

Sometimes fireballing the party is correct call.

I cast dissonant Whispers on a Hypnotized Barbarian, getting him to not only wake up but run at the bad guy.

 

[ECMO3]

You did notice I said "at level 1"?

I thought you meant you could not spam it as a level 1 casting, not as a level 1 Character. My bad, I should have realized as it seems painfully obvious now.

 

[Zardnaar]

I cast dissonant Whispers on a Hypnotized Barbarian, getting him to not only wake up but run at the bad guy.

Lol. Yeah the damage us so low vs the negative may as well.

 

[Zardnaar]

I thought you meant you could not spam it as a level 1 casting, not as a level 1 Character. My bad, I should have realized as it seems painfully obvious now.

Yup. I managed to deplete most of my players spells the other day. Command spam became a thing as 3 or 4 of them can cast it.

Glamour bard players in Malaysia atm.