3.5 Dwarves
- Thread starter Uruush
- Start date
Dr. Zoom
First Post
Here is my list from the compiled 3.5 thread in General RPG Discussion.
Dwarves get a +4 stability bonus against being bull-rushed or tripped. Their speed is not reduced while wearing medium/heavy armor or carrying a medium/heavy load (20 ft.). They have weapon familiarity with the dwarven waraxe and the dwarven urgrosh.
Dwarves get a +4 stability bonus against being bull-rushed or tripped. Their speed is not reduced while wearing medium/heavy armor or carrying a medium/heavy load (20 ft.). They have weapon familiarity with the dwarven waraxe and the dwarven urgrosh.
Olgar Shiverstone
Legend
See the Compiled 3.5 Revisions thread.
LoneWolf23
First Post
Dr. Zoom said:
Well, the stability bonus makes sense, since they have a lower center of gravity.
And since they're already at 20 ft anyway, it's not as if they're getting a big speed boost while wearing armor or carrying a medium+ load. They're just able to carry a load more efficiently, that's all.
And the Dwarven Waraxe and the Dwarven Ugrosh aren't too unbalancing as weapons.
Overall, I don't see any problems here.
Olgar Shiverstone
Legend
Stability won't really come into play much.
Weapon familiarity -- a nice, but not overpowering -- benefit if your class grants martial weapon proficiency, and means exactly squat otherwise, unlike the complete free proficiency in two weapons elves get.
Movement -- everyone looks at this and says "we've given too much to dwarves!". Look at it this way: they're Medium-sized creatures (and were in 3.0, too), who are handicapped by having a maximum 20' move in light armor (but are the same as other medium creatures, otherwise). It's a penalty, not a benefit.
Dwarves are just as overpowered as humans, elves, halflings, or gnomes.
Weapon familiarity -- a nice, but not overpowering -- benefit if your class grants martial weapon proficiency, and means exactly squat otherwise, unlike the complete free proficiency in two weapons elves get.
Movement -- everyone looks at this and says "we've given too much to dwarves!". Look at it this way: they're Medium-sized creatures (and were in 3.0, too), who are handicapped by having a maximum 20' move in light armor (but are the same as other medium creatures, otherwise). It's a penalty, not a benefit.
Dwarves are just as overpowered as humans, elves, halflings, or gnomes.
Anubis the Doomseer
First Post
Stability won't really come into play much.
I guess you don't use a lot of animals (improved Trip feat), Monks (Trip, Bull Rush) or Tanks (Bull Rush) in your game either?
And if "low center of gravity" is the excuse, then why doesn't the Halfling or Gnome (or Goblin) have the bonus? They are just as low to the ground as dwarves.
Movement -- everyone looks at this and says "we've given too much to dwarves!". Look at it this way: they're Medium-sized creatures (and were in 3.0, too), who are handicapped by having a maximum 20' move in light armor (but are the same as other medium creatures, otherwise). It's a penalty, not a benefit.
In other words they are small creatures without the size modifiers? Sorry, I'm not playing a violin in sympathy for dwarves. Again, if "ability to carry weight" is the argument, then why do Orcs and Half-orcs have the penalty? They are described as being able to carry such loads (wide shoulders, haunched backs, etc).
If you want to play around with the Dwarf and give them these sorts of benefits be my guest, but make them pay for it in other ways to balance them - give them a LA/ECL+1 or better yet give them "Light Sensitivity" - they spend their whole lives underground, they have Darkvision (not low-light), why not the -1 penalty in bright daylight?
I guess you don't use a lot of animals (improved Trip feat), Monks (Trip, Bull Rush) or Tanks (Bull Rush) in your game either?
And if "low center of gravity" is the excuse, then why doesn't the Halfling or Gnome (or Goblin) have the bonus? They are just as low to the ground as dwarves.
Movement -- everyone looks at this and says "we've given too much to dwarves!". Look at it this way: they're Medium-sized creatures (and were in 3.0, too), who are handicapped by having a maximum 20' move in light armor (but are the same as other medium creatures, otherwise). It's a penalty, not a benefit.
In other words they are small creatures without the size modifiers? Sorry, I'm not playing a violin in sympathy for dwarves. Again, if "ability to carry weight" is the argument, then why do Orcs and Half-orcs have the penalty? They are described as being able to carry such loads (wide shoulders, haunched backs, etc).
If you want to play around with the Dwarf and give them these sorts of benefits be my guest, but make them pay for it in other ways to balance them - give them a LA/ECL+1 or better yet give them "Light Sensitivity" - they spend their whole lives underground, they have Darkvision (not low-light), why not the -1 penalty in bright daylight?
Charwoman Gene
Adventurer
Anubis the Doomseer said:
It's a low center of gravity relative to their height.
