(3.5E) Aw, crap...

[Ravellion]

I see your previous post now though and realize that you were not referring to measurement - only temperature. Point taken. Did I insult you personally somehow?

No, it is just one of those things where tone doesn't come across well I guess. I don't see why you needed to be defensive towars my post either for instance.

Anyway, to simplify: 1 ft is 0.3 metres. 1 lb = 0.454 KG (0.45 for ease of use)

X degrees fahrenheit = hardly convertible without a calculator, since they don't work on the same scale. Since ONLY the US uses Fahrenheit, I think it to be a very small and easy thing to do to include Celsius rules. I actually consider it short sightedness if they do not - as I said, potential market for Celsius is bigger.

I think "I don't like rules which I cannot use at all" is a very good argument for why I want this to happen. How would YOU feel if they only included Celsius/Kelvin rules? (despite their obvious superiority )

Darkness, forgive me for indulging in this topic a bit further, but I think it is relevant and important. It basically wrecked part of my campaign (environmental hazards), since I thought conversion would be relatively easy. I could of course have selected weather at my whim, but the rules did seem to have a nice ebb and flow of temperature built in.

Rav

 

[ced1106]

As for minis and battlemats, WotC doesn't need to make a cent. How many of us have (a) chessboard(s) or, better yet, an old box of Lego lying around the place?

Or can shake down a MageKnight player for his commons?

Lego minis actually work with MK figurse. MK requires a 1.5" square (unless you remount the figs), and 1.5" is the right size for a lego mini.

**Plus** you can interchange weapons, shields, hats, and stuff with the lego mini's. Let's see a dial do that!

ps. Can't wait to plop the green or purple guy on the D&D grid!
http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=24298


Cedric.
aka. Washu! ^O^

 

[kenjib]

I think "I don't like rules which I cannot use at all" is a very good argument for why I want this to happen. How would YOU feel if they only included Celsius/Kelvin rules? (despite their obvious superiority )

I actually agree that conversions would be well in order for the temperatures. You have a very good point. How about this:

Cold: This one is easy, it's just a threshhold of 40 F, which is roughly 4 C. The rest of the rules are identical.

Heat: We have several threshholds, so let's convert them all --

very hot (90 F) = 32 C

extreme heat (110 F) = 43 C

abysmal heat (140 F) = 60 C

The rest of the rules are identical from there on out.

It's a pretty easy conversion, and if you don't want to remember/do it on the fly you can just write these four numbers in pencil in the margin of your book (or use a post-it note if you don't like writing in your books). There's a few more F numbers under "weather" if you need those, but that stuff is more just general common sense stuff and not very important. Did I miss anything important?

btw - The heat damage threshholds are too low. The rules for heat exhaustion are pretty screwed up, so you weren't missing much anyway.

 

[Illuminae]

Sounds almost exactly like how the meter was created. Oh, and all of the metric weights are based on the meter too.

Dont act childish.

You know what you said isnt true.

Just because you were told to use something pathetic that doesnt make sense (the imperial system), it doesnt mean that you have toBELIEVE it is any good.

You KNOW the only reason you still use this crap is because you are used to it and it IS hard to change everything you know in one day.

Stop camping, and think about ways of helping all north americans to adopt a better system painlessly.

 

[Ravellion]

I actually agree that conversions would be well in order for the temperatures. You have a very good point. How about this:

Cold: This one is easy, it's just a threshhold of 40 F, which is roughly 4 C. The rest of the rules are identical.

Heat: We have several threshholds, so let's convert them all --

very hot (90 F) = 32 C

extreme heat (110 F) = 43 C

abysmal heat (140 F) = 60 C

The rest of the rules are identical from there on out.

It's a pretty easy conversion, and if you don't want to remember/do it on the fly you can just write these four numbers in pencil in the margin of your book (or use a post-it note if you don't like writing in your books). There's a few more F numbers under "weather" if you need those, but that stuff is more just general common sense stuff and not very important. Did I miss anything important?

btw - The heat damage threshholds are too low. The rules for heat exhaustion are pretty screwed up, so you weren't missing much anyway.

The thresholds aren't the problem. It's the changing of the temperature every day... I don't even know whether that system will work though. As I said, I couldn't work with the system. About the margins and stuff - yeah, I did that with the imperial distances and weights in the 2e phb, and now I know the conversions by heart.

Rav

 

[Kichwas]

Champions is an example of a game that assumes miniatures.

All the ranges are listed in terms of 'inches' rather than meters.

The 'inches' refers to how many inches your miniature is from whatever you are concerned about. Each inch represents one meter.

Now imagine a version of D&D that said you could move 6 inches / squares / hexes, rather than saying you could move 30 feet.

It would only tell you that one inch / square / hex sclaed to 5 feet at the beginning of some section on movement and scale.

That's one way to really quickly enforce the idea of miniatures.

You could do the same thing with the area of spells, listing them in squares and what shape they made on the mat.

 

[Fenes 2]

Having to mentally convert inches to metres or feet to metres does not make any difference to me.

 

[MThibault]

Now imagine a version of D&D that said you could move 6 inches [snip], rather than saying you could move 30 feet.

Imagine you are a 12 year old reading the 1e PHB for the first time trying to figure out what it means to move 6 inches in 10 minutes.

Cheers

 

[jdavis]

Dont act childish.

You know what you said isnt true.

Just because you were told to use something pathetic that doesnt make sense (the imperial system), it doesnt mean that you have toBELIEVE it is any good.

You KNOW the only reason you still use this crap is because you are used to it and it IS hard to change everything you know in one day.

Stop camping, and think about ways of helping all north americans to adopt a better system painlessly.

I think something that is being missed here is that most Americans don't want to change systems, they don't care about this at all and it would just be a annoyance. Yes the metric system is scientific and easier to adjust from units to units, but America already tried to change to the metric system and it just didn't happen. The system we use is good enough and nobody wants to change. I have nothing against it at all but I work with metric units more than most (in engineering and factory work). They have been trying to change things over for almost 30 years now and haven't made any progress at all. I was taught in school that the metric system was the future (in the 70's) I have yet to see anything even vaguely resembling the metric system in America now. Americans just don't care, they don't have any problems with the imperial system, it works fine for everyday use and has worked fine for hundreds of years. There will never be a painless change, matter of fact I doubt there will ever be a change at all. I wish we would change over but I am so far in the minority on this issue that it doesn't matter. The metric system is so foriegn to most Americans that it might as well be a foriegn language.

 

[kenjib]

You know what you said isnt true.

Hello Illuminae - unlike other metric units, like degrees Celsius, the meter was originally based on the erroneous measurement of an arbitrary distance though space. The relationships between different measurements are better, that's true. I wouldn't deny that, but the fundamental number it's based on is completely arbitrary -- despite the claims of the metric system. It was later recalibrated to match an atomic distance, but the same could just as easily be done for the foot.

http://www.bookbrowse.com/dyn_/title/titleID/1118.htm

For what it's worth, I agree that the US should go metric although, unfortunately, I don't think it will happen any time soon. This is really off topic though, eh? I'll drop it. Apologies for the tangent!