Tom Cashel
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Cassander said:
Well...
Maybe.
Lower level spells have lower Save DCs. I don't think it needs to be "fixed."
D&D 3E/3.5 [3.5e] Will they fix the other H spell?
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Well...
Maybe.
Lower level spells have lower Save DCs. I don't think it needs to be "fixed."
Kusuf ibn Zaid
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My complaint with Hold Person and spells of its ilk isn't that they are unbalancing (although in the case of Hold Person, I wouldn't mind it being 3rd level). My complaint is that it isn't very fun. As a DM, I don't enjoy forcing someone to sit on the sidelines fetching beer for the other players. As a player, I don't enjoy fetching beer. I came to play, not to watch. From a fun standpoint, these spells aren't as much of a problem for me in the hands of players. Even if my chief baddy gets held, I at least have all his minions to play with. Nevertheless, it seems a bit unfair to the villains to never allow them to use a spell that is obviously a good choice, while at the same time allow it to the PCs.
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Tom Cashel
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Kusuf ibn Zaid said:
But that's the best part of being a DM!
Kae'Yoss
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hong said:
This is obviously because WE HAVE BETTER BEER THAN YOU DO. Or something.
It's not my fault none of the mods like Saarkraut.
Hey, no prob. I'll be right here waiting, no matter HOW long it takes for you to de-explodiate your head.
Sure, sure. You're just saying that because you're a Saar loser.
Is Saarkraut a country?
Saar loser.
Just fighters.
I am glad you seem to think that taking hold person counts as making a "min-maxed" character. I think so too. Do you have anything else to say?
The cleric can also take feats and items to raise the spell DC. Your point is what, exactly?
Wanna bet?
Hey, if you give your ftr3's enough money to stock up on wyvern blood, deathblade and black lotus extract on a regular basis, that's fine by me!
I am glad that your point seems to be that hold person should cost 3,000 gp per casting (cost of wyvern poison, as per DMG). Again, I think so too. Do you have anything else to say?
Now I REALLY am confused.
Hong "I blame KaeYoss" Ooi
Since you obviously have to resort to insults now, I guess you have used up your arguments for your power-gamer feats, and I consider this discussion as concluded
Henry
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As for myself, I find Hong's "mind over magic" feat (my name for it) seems a little forced. It totally takes the claws out of all charming and holding spells. It's irrelevant that Dominate Monster would deal 9d8 damage; most fighters by this point have around 300 hit points, and most monsters around 500 to 700; most 9th level spells should be doing far more than the equivalent damage of a 6th or 7th level spell by this point.
From my personal experience, I personally find that taking ALL the danger out and reducing the entire game to hit point attrition contests can be far too stagnating, and I hope that WotC never amends this.
So I'll gladly risk the hold persons and the beer runs: Gimme my occasional save-or-die.
From my personal experience, I personally find that taking ALL the danger out and reducing the entire game to hit point attrition contests can be far too stagnating, and I hope that WotC never amends this.
So I'll gladly risk the hold persons and the beer runs: Gimme my occasional save-or-die.
Kusuf ibn Zaid
Explorer
Dinkeldog said:
Actually, I send them out to pick up lunch.
That sounds like a way to ensure that my fries are soggy and my pickle is limp. I want only 'happy' players fetching my lunch.
- Kusuf
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