-3 No More! (Ehem, not 'Monks Got the Shaft!')

[DevoutlyApathetic]

Dungeon 100 findings:

None of the monks have itinerative attacks based upon the -3 progession. The full attack includes three attacks at highest attack modifier though...

Each has a special quality listed as "Greater Fury" which no longer seems to inflict an attack penalty.

Neither uses monk weapons and the monk weapon special text has been changed to "...is a special monk weapon, which gives a monk wielding a cresent blade special options."

Interesting. Could help monks step up more in the combat.

One of the most informative issues I've found in a long time. Oh and Ettins definately don't get two attacks on a charge. I'm starting to like the Attack/Full Attack listings.

 

[hong]

Dungeon 100 findings:

None of the monks have itinerative attacks based upon the -3 progession.

Yes! Yes! Yes!

No more st00pid threads on monk BAB!

*bliss*

 

[Ravellion]

I'm starting to like the Attack/Full Attack listings.

Oooooh! Me want the MM 3.5 now... grapple stats, tactics, better layout, and then this... yum yum yum!

Rav

 

[Celtavian]

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Interesting, very interesting. I am really looking forward to buying the revised books and going over them. The changes are more major than I expected so soon in the lifecycle of 3rd edition, but they sound too compelling to ignore.

 

[Michael Tree]

The full attack includes three attacks at highest attack modifier though...

Each has a special quality listed as "Greater Fury" which no longer seems to inflict an attack penalty.

OOOOoooo.

Are you sure that isn't Greater Flurry? That's been mentioned before, unless of course Flurry of Blows itself has been renamed.

Are those three attacks at the full bonus, without any -2 penalty? If so, I wouldn't be surprised if Flurry gives an extra attack at full bonus when making a full attack, and Greater Flurry/Fury gives a third attack at full bonus.

Could you analyze the feats the monks have to determine if they have more flexibility than the 3.0 (non-OA) monk has? Do they all have Deflect Arrows and/or Improved Trip? Do they have the expected number of feats?

 

[andrew]

Re: Re: -3 No More! (Ehem, not 'Monks Got the Shaft!')

Are you sure that isn't Greater Flurry? That's been mentioned before, unless of course Flurry of Blows itself has been renamed.

Are those three attacks at the full bonus, without any -2 penalty? If so, I wouldn't be surprised if Flurry gives an extra attack at full bonus when making a full attack, and Greater Flurry/Fury gives a third attack at full bonus.

It is Greater Flurry. Here's a stat block so you can decide for yourself what has changed:

Saarys, Female Githzerai Mnk 11: CR 13; Medium Humanoid (extraplanar); HD 11d8+11; hp 61; Init +3; Spd 60 ft.; AC 22, touch 18, flat-footed 20; BAB +8/+3; Grap +10; Atk +10 melee (1d10+2, unarmed strike) or +15 ranged (1d8+4/x3, masterwork composite longbow [+2 Str] with +2 arrow); Full Atk +10/+5 melee (1d10+2, unarmed strike) or +10/+10/+10/+5 melee (1d10+2, flurry of blows) or +15/+10 ranged (1d8+4/x3, masterwork composite longbow [+2 Str] with +2 arrow); SA greater flurry, ki strike (magic), psionics, unarmed strike; SQ darkvision 60 ft., diamond body, improved evasion, inertial armor, leap of the clouds, psionics, purity of body, slow fall 50 ft., still mind, wholeness of body (22 hp/day); SR 16; AL LN; SV Fort +8, Ref +11, Will +9; Str 14, Dex 18, Con 12, Int 8, Wis 14, Cha 11.

Skills: Balance +10, Climb +7, Escape Artist +6, Hide +9, Jump +10, Knowledge (the planes) +1, Listen +6, Move Silently +10, Tumble +12. Feats: Blind-Fight, Deflect Arrows, Dodge, Improved Disarm, Mobility, Spring Attack, Stunning Fist.

Psionics (Sp): 3/day - daze (save DC 10), feather fall, shatter (DC 12); 1/day - plane shift (DC 17). Caster level 11th; save DC 10 + spell level.

Inertial Armor (Sp): Githzerai can use psychic force to block an enemy's blows. This gives them a +4 armor bonus as long as they remain conscious.

Possessions: Belt of giant strength +4, amulet of health +2, potion of owl's wisdom, potion of cure moderate wounds, masterwork composite longbow [+2 Str] with 20 +2 arrows, gray cloak.

 

[gtJormungand]

The flat-footed AC does not seem to add up right either... perhaps the monks will get bonuses related to that.

 

[Goobermunch]

Doesn't Inertial Armor grant a +4 to AC? I think that brings the Touch AC to 20.

--G

 

[Storminator]

There's also a Dire Lion Mnk 12 whose AC is completely wrong.

Seems to be a problem with this issue.

PS

 

[Dalamar]

Re: Re: Re: -3 No More! (Ehem, not 'Monks Got the Shaft!')

Saarys, Female Githzerai Mnk 11: CR 13; Medium Humanoid (extraplanar);

Seems like Githzerai have become humanoids instead of outsiders.
Also, no Improved Trip but does have Improved Disarm, interesting also.