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4 years of 5E on Amazon: same old same old

TerraDave

5ever
4 years ago today the 5E Starter Set was released. It has been in the top 1000 of all books being sold ever since, easily making it one of the best selling RPG products of the last dozen years or so.

Well, except for a few others...

Overall sales rank on Amazon, as of this posting:

PHB 44
DMG 156
MM 157
MtF 312
XGtE 315
VGtM 447
S. Set 735
 
What encourages me about that is not as much the rankings of the core three, but the nice sales of the supplements, and actually that they are increasing in sales: Volo was frst, then Xanathar, then Mordenkainen. That bodes well.

EDIT: Oh nevermind. I thought that was overall sales rank since 5E came out. Of course it makes sense that the sales ranks are higher for the more recent books.
 
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ad_hoc

Adventurer
The amazing thing we see in the camel graph is that the PHB is selling better now than it was on release.
 

Ath-kethin

Explorer
I'm a bit confused by the PHB sales graph. It states that the worst point for the book was June 13, 2014, but the book wasn't released until August 19th (August 8th at WPN stores). Am I missing something?
 

TheSword

Explorer
If it uses amazon data it probably takes account of pre-orders. This would explain the immediate spike and then the drop off until the product we actually released.
 

darjr

I crit!
It does use preorder numbers. However that huge drop is because WotC didn’t know how popular it was going to be and were caught by surprise and had to emergency print more. That dip is due to lack of supply.
 

TerraDave

5ever
What encourages me about that is not as much the rankings of the core three, but the nice sales of the supplements, and actually that they are increasing in sales: Volo was frst, then Xanathar, then Mordenkainen. That bodes well.

EDIT: Oh nevermind. I thought that was overall sales rank since 5E came out. Of course it makes sense that the sales ranks are higher for the more recent books.
Those are amazing numbers for supplements. Volos has been out for 20 months, and at that rank has outsold every RPG product on Amazon that wasn't a 5e one or, maybe, a PHB.
 

TerraDave

5ever
In honor of the anniversary and all, I thought I would bring back some comparative numbers.

From here:

http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?403211-DMG-PHB-and-MM-still-in-the-Amazon-top-100-sellers/page4&p=6526238&viewfull=1#post6526238

I use to use the wayback machine to get numbers like this, but then amazon put bots on it to stop that. Oh well.

Here is what I got:

4E PHB

Started at 33

Fell to 54

After six months its at 2,390

After one year: 6,435

That’s a big drop off. One issue could be other ways of getting it—there was a three book box set, a deluxe version, the pdf, and of course the character builder—but still, that’s a big drop.

We can also look at 3.5 PHB

After about 1 month its at 122

After 6 months 274

At the one year point it has dropped to 4844

But then rebounds, hanging around 1000, and reaching 969 two years after launch


5E is looking good compared to these, at least so far.
 

ad_hoc

Adventurer
5E is looking good compared to these, at least so far.
That is the D&D understatement of the year.

I wouldn't be surprised if the 5e PHB has outsold all other PHBs (or equivalent) combined at this point. If not, it's only a matter of time.
 

Zardnaar

Adventurer
In honor of the anniversary and all, I thought I would bring back some comparative numbers.

From here:

http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?403211-DMG-PHB-and-MM-still-in-the-Amazon-top-100-sellers/page4&p=6526238&viewfull=1#post6526238

I use to use the wayback machine to get numbers like this, but then amazon put bots on it to stop that. Oh well.

Here is what I got:

4E PHB

Started at 33

Fell to 54

After six months its at 2,390

After one year: 6,435

That’s a big drop off. One issue could be other ways of getting it—there was a three book box set, a deluxe version, the pdf, and of course the character builder—but still, that’s a big drop.

We can also look at 3.5 PHB

After about 1 month its at 122

After 6 months 274

At the one year point it has dropped to 4844

But then rebounds, hanging around 1000, and reaching 969 two years after launch


5E is looking good compared to these, at least so far.
3.5 did not do that well as far as D&D editions went. Every edition of D&D has beaten 3.5 except for OD&D and maybe 4E. It was an awkward .5 edition and the whole d20 bubble popped 2004 IIRC. Still interesting about the severe drop off of 4E though.

Also IDK if Amazon data from 15 years ago is a fair point of reference. That is before things like facebook, youtube, Amazon being as big as it is now. Hell Amazon was losing money back then IIRC (or close to it).
 

TerraDave

5ever
Now we have this:

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/23/hasbro-ceo-dungeons--dragons-is-having-its-best-year-ever.html

All the talk on the front page article is on "D&D esports" which is not actually said, though digital games certainly are.

This is the CEO telling investors that the game is seeing double digit growth in users and has had its biggest year ever. In this context, they are really not suppose to fib, and why would he, he has plenty of other brands to mention if D&D wasn't doing great.
 

TerraDave

5ever
Also dragon talk said that the population is 40% non male!
For me, that is still more like a rumor. Its felt like 10% for a long time.

Lots of women are into hobby gaming, and lots are into fantasy (and always have been), so you would expect some overlap. Hopefully its true.
 

ad_hoc

Adventurer
For me, that is still more like a rumor. Its felt like 10% for a long time.

Lots of women are into hobby gaming, and lots are into fantasy (and always have been), so you would expect some overlap. Hopefully its true.
I think it is more that 5e has bridged the gap beyond hobby gaming. Just like how hobby board games did it with the rise in popularity of Settlers of Catan.

D&D is now being played by the sorts of young people who frequent board game cafes and the like. Anecdotally I've seen it too. People I meet either have played or have friends who have played and none of them identify as hobby gamers.
 

Zardnaar

Adventurer
3.5 did not do that well as far as D&D editions went. Every edition of D&D has beaten 3.5 except for OD&D and maybe 4E. It was an awkward .5 edition and the whole d20 bubble popped 2004 IIRC. Still interesting about the severe drop off of 4E though.

Also IDK if Amazon data from 15 years ago is a fair point of reference. That is before things like facebook, youtube, Amazon being as big as it is now. Hell Amazon was losing money back then IIRC (or close to it).
Wouldn't get to excited.

https://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/by-topic/industry-news/bookselling/article/56284-how-many-copies-does-it-take-to-be-an-amazon-bestseller.html

https://okdork.com/hit-1-amazons-bestseller-list/

Article I read last week seems to indicate Amazon might be around 50% of sales, these sites here quote 30%.

If you can get to number 1 on Amazon seems you can do it on a few hundred books sold (average per day). If you can do that for an entire year that is great but I would not be surprised if the difference outside the top 10 is a few hundred books total between say number 400 and 500.

This is also funny.
https://qz.com/902504/how-to-become-a-best-selling-author-on-amazon-in-five-minutes-with-three-dollars/

Gonna write a book. "My Cat".
 
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