Zurai said:Orcus has save or die. Orcus is in 4E. Thus, 4E does have save or die.
Oh, I agree. I have no real stance on this issue at all, other than that 4E does have save-or-die. I don't really care whether monsters or players have access to them.Surgoshan said:Well, Orcus is meant to be a serious challenge for 30th level characters.