D&D 4E 4E = BadWrongFun

[Mouseferatu]

There have been plenty of examples of very rude and or very personal attacks made against anyone who voices a contrary opinion about the tidbits of 4E that have been released or the overall direction that WotC has taken the game.

Have there? Not being snarky, it's an honest question. I've seen several very rude posts about 4E, WotC, and people who like what they hear. I honestly don't remember seeing any truly rude posts made in the opposite direction. But please, point me to 'em. I'm honestly curious.

Personally I think it would be a very boring world if we all blindly follow the crowd like good little sheep, I appriciate those who disagree and aren't afraid to say so, to me variety is the spice of life.

I agree, people should feel free to voice their disagreement. I've gotten into several interesting conversations because of it, just in the past few hours. The trick is for both sides to do it with at least a modicum of manners and respect.

 

[Doug McCrae]

Personally I think it would be a very boring world if we all blindly follow the crowd like good little sheep, I appriciate those who disagree and aren't afraid to say so, to me variety is the spice of life.

So you see some people being happy, getting excited over a new product and you think to yourself, "I know what would improve this discussion. A big heaping pile of negativity."?

 

[Shadeydm]

Have there? Not being snarky, it's an honest question. I've seen several very rude posts about 4E, WotC, and people who like what they hear. I honestly don't remember seeing any truly rude posts made in the opposite direction. But please, point me to 'em. I'm honestly curious.

Actually Mouse I have spent much of time on these boards lately reporting those posts out to the Mods in order to try and bring some balance to the way the rules of the boards are enforced. If you look around they are in many of the threads in this forum. Some have resulted in bans and some have not. Frankly its not really something I enjoy doing, I definetly don't envy the Mods thier jobs and I am grateful that they have the patience to do it. So no I'm not going to hunt down this stuff for both you and the mods I will let you do your own leg work in that regard.

 

[Shadeydm]

So you see some people being happy, getting excited over a new product and you think to yourself, "I know what would improve this discussion. A big heaping pile of negativity."?

No I see some people voiceing a different opinion and getting shat upon for it.

 

[Doug McCrae]

No I see some people voiceing a different opinion and getting shat upon for it.

On these boards people absolutely should not have the same right to be negative about D&D as they do to be positive. This is a board for people who actually like D&D.

If you go on a model railways board and say "Model railways are teh suxxor" then you're trolling. If you go on a D&D board and say "D&D is teh suxxor" then you're trolling. If you go on a 4E sub-forum and say "4E is teh suxxor" then you're trolling.

I don't believe in equal rights for trolls.

 

[(contact)]

The other issue for 3.5 lovers is that there will no longer be new adventures or sourcebooks written for that version of the game.

This is mostly true. Like other posters have pointed out, some comany support and fan support might continue.

Myself, I'll try 4e right away, because I thought 3e was a lot more fun than 2, and if 4 can solve some of 3e's quirks, I'm all over it.

But if I wasn't going to switch, I'd still be good to go, because I've got two Pathfinder adventuere paths coming out, and a bigger backlog of good 3rd-party 3e material than I'll likely ever be able to use.

And some of my group's best 3e experiences were re-imagining or re-purposing 1st ed adventures for the new edition.

In fact, initially, 4e players will be the ones with no support, while 3e players will still have a veritable mountain of stuff to wade through and choose from!

 

[crazy_cat]

So you see some people being happy, getting excited over a new product and you think to yourself, "I know what would improve this discussion. A big heaping pile of negativity."?

I see you're already familiar with standard etiquette for online discussions

 

[Geron Raveneye]

On these boards people absolutely should not have the same right to be negative about D&D as they do to be positive. This is a board for people who actually like D&D.

If you go on a model railways board and say "Model railways are teh suxxor" then you're trolling. If you go on a D&D board and say "D&D is teh suxxor" then you're trolling. If you go on a 4E sub-forum and say "4E is teh suxxor" then you're trolling.

I don't believe in equal rights for trolls.

I'm sure you know that there is a difference between voicing your opinion, even a negative one, and trolling. The right to voice that opinion, if done in a relatively civilized and uninsulting manner, should not be curtailed in any case. This isn't a board for those who "like" D&D only, but rather a board for those who play D&D, and have their opinion about it, and like to discuss it. In my opinion, of course.

 

[Shadeydm]

On these boards people absolutely should not have the same right to be negative about D&D as they do to be positive. This is a board for people who actually like D&D.

If you go on a model railways board and say "Model railways are teh suxxor" then you're trolling. If you go on a D&D board and say "D&D is teh suxxor" then you're trolling. If you go on a 4E sub-forum and say "4E is teh suxxor" then you're trolling.

I don't believe in equal rights for trolls.

I like DnD I have played since the very early 80's, I don't see how my disagreeing with some of the proposed chages for the new edition means I forfeit the right to post here. Will I buy the 4E Core books next year of course just like I bought all the other editions when they came out. This doesn't mean I have to agree with everything that WotC says and does or that by not agreeing it should prevent me from posting my thoughts or ideas here.

 

[delericho]

Actually Mouse I have spent much of time on these boards lately reporting those posts out to the Mods in order to try and bring some balance to the way the rules of the boards are enforced... Frankly its not really something I enjoy doing... So no I'm not going to hunt down this stuff for both you and the mods I will let you do your own leg work in that regard.

You know, if you would link to even one example, that would add a lot of credibility to your position.

(And please don't read that as "your position has no credibility." I'm not saying that.)

On these boards people absolutely should not have the same right to be negative about D&D as they do to be positive. This is a board for people who actually like D&D.

I agree with this...

If you go on a 4E sub-forum and say "4E is teh suxxor" then you're trolling.

But I'm afraid I don't agree with this*. As far as I can see, people have the right to not like the idea of 4e, and I would have thought they have the right to say so (subject to mod oversight, of course). Similarly, where they don't like any given choice in the development of 4e, I would have thought they have the right to say that, too.

Of course, there's a significant difference between saying "I don't like this", and thread-crapping. (Funnily enough, perhaps WotC were on the right track when they set up their 4th Edition board with a built-in "Doomsday" thread.)



* Well, okay, actually I do agree with the particular statement I've quoted. It's the whole "you have less right to not like 4e than you have to like it" thing I disagree with.