4E Class Survivor - Round 3

[I'm A Banana]

Warden.

The Shaman at least has a decent archetype. "Spirit-seer" is mythic and keen. I can't even imagine what the warden's archetype is. It's just "primal defender," like they made a class to fill a niche. Not even that interesting of a class.

I wasn't around for rounds 1 and 2, but I'm not sorry to see the warlord get booted out. That class is essentially the poster boy for 4e's Shroedinger's HP, and for 4e's "move little pieces of plastic around" combat play. Artificer is in the same boat as Shaman for me: good archetype, just mechanics that don't really live up to the hype. Kind of the same boat as Warlock (which was AWESOME in 3e, but has all the specialness removed in 4e).

Warden has nothing. Invoker has very little. The Rogue will get his once we get rid of some of the more egregious offenders, since it's the poster child for a few of 4e's wider annoyances as well (little noncombat variety, dex/int overlap, etc.). Wizard will probably get a pity-punt soon for being a big pile of vague, too.

 

[Skywalker]

None. I like them all *ducks*

 

[FireLance]

I predict a run on Controllers or Defenders next.

I predict that the run on new classes will continue.

 

[Dice4Hire]

I predict that the run on new classes will continue.

I keep wondering why people keep saying that, as ARtificer came out before PHBII and the warlord was the in the PHB.

Maybe they are counting the older classes from the front of the PHB book?

So cleric is the chicken or egg that spawned all the other classes?

 

[Jack99]

Ditto. Warlocks = MUCH worse than a shaman. I mean, they're not fun, they're not as good an arcane striker as a sorcerer, and they're all dark and emo-like.

I agree, Sorcerer|Warlock (Student of Caiphon) is the way to go. All radiant/fear powers and 18-20 crit-range for the win - Still emo though

 

[Glyfair]

The leader carnage continues as the Shaman is voted off the list, will the bard, cleric be next to drop?

 

[FireLance]

I keep wondering why people keep saying that, as ARtificer came out before PHBII and the warlord was the in the PHB.

Maybe they are counting the older classes from the front of the PHB book?

So cleric is the chicken or egg that spawned all the other classes?

New in the sense of: introduced in 4e (warlord) or in late 3e (artificer, shaman).

 

[FireLance]

The leader carnage continues as the Shaman is voted off the list, will the bard, cleric be next to drop?

I doubt it. They were in the 3e PH.

 

[FireLance]

Speaker with spirits,
Channeler of nature's vigor,
Bridge between two worlds.

Were you shunned for your companion?
Deemed too difficult to know?
Did some mistrust your origins
As unnatural or obscure?

May the spirits guide you, Shaman,
As you fade away.