D&D 4E 4E is to be announced at GenCon?
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William Ronald
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4E is something likely to be released -- eventually. I think that we will see some signs of its release by looking at the various announcements of upcoming products. So, we may see more rules light products.
Mind you, I am not going to judge 4E before I see any rules. So, my advice is keep gaming, keep an open eye, and an open mind.
Mind you, I am not going to judge 4E before I see any rules. So, my advice is keep gaming, keep an open eye, and an open mind.
w_earle_wheeler
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I'll be holding out for 4.5. (And no -- I'm not joking)
What I would be more interested in seeing are corrected and compiled material from existing supplement books. Keep the core 3 books exactly the same (except for error correction). I think WotC might already be on this path with their "Compendium" line.
What I would be more interested in seeing are corrected and compiled material from existing supplement books. Keep the core 3 books exactly the same (except for error correction). I think WotC might already be on this path with their "Compendium" line.
EvilPheemy
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In response to a couple of posts referring to hopes that 4e will be a "final edition". Sorry to tell you, but it won't. There will be a 5th edition, and a 6th edition, and so on and so forth so long as Dungeons and Dragons is being published. The smart money is on a 4e release sometime in 09 or 10.
It will probably take what the designers to believe to be the best elements from Star Wars Saga edition. Then add yet more refinements. I know what *I* would change, but since I'm not working for WotC, my opinion only counts towards those who I play with (and, of course message boards like this one).
I also predict that there will be some sort of minor expansion or revision about 3 or 4 years after release. That's been the growth pattern of D&D for a little over 30 years.
Oh, and with the release of 4e, I'm certain that there will be another round of "edition wars" except this time there will be a third faction since the OD&D/AD&D/AD&D2e crowd won't join with the D&D3.xe/d20 crowd even to bash the 4e crowd.
Then, when 5th edition comes out, the debate will get even more complex, at least until the majority of the OD&D/AD&D/AD&D2e crowd dies of old age in significant numbers.
It will probably take what the designers to believe to be the best elements from Star Wars Saga edition. Then add yet more refinements. I know what *I* would change, but since I'm not working for WotC, my opinion only counts towards those who I play with (and, of course message boards like this one).
I also predict that there will be some sort of minor expansion or revision about 3 or 4 years after release. That's been the growth pattern of D&D for a little over 30 years.
Oh, and with the release of 4e, I'm certain that there will be another round of "edition wars" except this time there will be a third faction since the OD&D/AD&D/AD&D2e crowd won't join with the D&D3.xe/d20 crowd even to bash the 4e crowd.
Then, when 5th edition comes out, the debate will get even more complex, at least until the majority of the OD&D/AD&D/AD&D2e crowd dies of old age in significant numbers.
Vigilance said:
Nice to know you have enough class and maturity to degrade to name-calling :\
I never specifically said I would...I merely implied that I might. You think I'm dumb enough to admit to doing it? Hah!
Not that it would matter to you anyway whether or not I did, nor to anyone in fact. What'll you do? Call the "Moral and Ethics Police" and name-call me until I redeem my evil, villainous ways? Oh my, how intimidating.
When 4E rolls around with nothing to compensate the folks that dedicated themselves to 3E, WotC would cause such a schism with their fanbase and heavy loss of customers that stuff like that will be a really "gray" area anyway.
4E is simply going to destroy D&D's "sacred cows" to gather more customers and not convert any of your 3E/3.5E like they should do. I really don't see what needs to be changed so drastically with the system to warrant a brand new edition?
Or, at least, I am hoping they make the transition to 4E as simple as the 3E/3.5E switch. What'd we lose on the switch to 3E-3.5E anyway? The only changes were a better ranger class, a change in the abilities with all the core classes, some spells taken out and streamlined into new ones, other spells moved in, it's tougher to get spell save DCs higher, useless skills taken out and melded into existing skills, new uses on skills, monsters get skills and feats like character classes do, and damage reduction rule changes? That's not that bad of a transition, I can do that and so can a million others.
Only if 4E did something on that scale would I actually find myself shrugging away and dealing with 4E and possibly enjoying it. Some things I see them doing is introducing swift/immediate actions in as core, for example, which I can deal with.
Even if they don't help convert 3E to 4E, at least they should make 4E in such a way that converting 3E to 4E may take some time and work, but it'll actually meld into it perfectly without much problems.
That's their best bet with 4E if they want to keep the fans and please them with the new changes simultaneously. Yeah, 3.5E was a pain for many, but most of the stuff is converted or didn't need conversions (thank you, WotC, you did one thing right for once) and the changes weren't really off the wall.
4E means 3.5E is no longer successful...from what I constantly keep hearing is "D&D is at its Golden Age! It's in the best shape it could possible be! It's soaring to great heights!" from the staff at WotC. So if it's doing so well, why would a 4E be announced anytime soon? Why 2010? Are fans going to get bored with 3.5E two and a half years from now? Really? I don't even see that many bored with it now, they love it more now than ever before, correct?
2015...the earliest I think.
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Nightfall said:*five*
Razz,
So...does that mean no more psionics in 4th edition?
You know what, I wouldn't be surprised if they completely destroy psionics in 4E...that is, if 4E turns out to be as drastic as 2E-3E is.
I am having my hopes on the fact that when the day comes the new edition is announced, it will be a transition like from 3E-3.5E...not like 2E to 3E. It's smart on a business scale, too.
People keep saying "Well if it's a better system, I'll switch to 4E." But none of them have said what would make D&D a better system, they just say this strange phrase "If it's better than 3E" over and over. Like how Bush likes to say "9/11" and "War on Terror" as vaguely as possible. And then the people that do name the changes they want, they can either do it themselves or they're using Unearthed Arcana rules anyway. I always tough Unearthed Arcana was "4E" anyway, I guess I was wrong.
I am also hating how folks are saying the new Star Wars rules would be best for 4E D&D. No they won't, the rules for Star Wars are the rules for Star Wars. Star Wars and D&D are not the same and shouldn't even have the same rules.
