Dumping CON would seem to be a bad plan on its face, but I see your point. It may depend on how the skills are allotted. In general, though, I suspect we'll see mostly characters that are pretty close to the Elite Array -- 8, 10, 12, 13, 14, 15. That's a good distribution of scores without being "three eights".Rex Blunder said:
D&D 4E 4E Liker - anything you worry about?
- Thread starter Mustrum_Ridcully
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Dragonblade
Adventurer
hong said:
For pretty much the last 10 years my groups have basically given everyone a 14 in all stats and then you adjust up or down on a 1 for 1 basis. So you could have 3 18s and 3 10s if you wanted, or anything in between. We'll probably do something similar for 4e.
2eBladeSinger
First Post
I guess the phrase "roll up a character" will be in the dustbin on top of "roll percentile"
ZetaStriker
First Post
Some of my players, myself included, have loved the idea of rolling stats for a character, but I think I might pass it by for point buy this time around. I haven't given point buy an honest shot yet, and honestly, power discrepancies can arise when using the rolling method. Not to mention the fact that it encourages cheating. I remember a campaign I was in as a player, when the GM asked another player how he had such high stats, and he responded that he rolled 4 18s. I wonder how many tries/random gusts of wind/earthquakes it took to pull out that result, eh?
Mustrum_Ridcully
Legend
The information might be out-dated, but there was talk that point buy and dice rolling were both offered for character creation in the 4E PHB. It might not be dead yet.2eBladeSinger said:
(Not that I care for it, but I started roleplaying games with Shadowrun and its point-buy and priority system, and we switched to point-buy very fast in D&D 3E, too. I don't have any fond memories of a incredible high-stat character or a low-stat character prevailing against all odds...)
Shades of Green
Explorer
Minor Fears:
Artwork. Many parts of the preview artwork are "dungeonpunk" in the style of later 3.xE books rather than more classical fantasy/medieval styles. I fear that the flavor of the artwork wouldn't fit my preferences (I like more realistic-feeling art).
Miniatures. I fear that 4E would be more dependent on miniatures and exact tactical movement. This is a minor fear for me as I'm considering moving to minis (or counters) anyway, but I don't really like having my options narrowed.
New races. I am not sure how useful the new races would be in comparison to the previous editions' niche races (gnomes and half-orcs). I don't like gnomes, but I do like half-orcs; but my real concern is how useful the new races would be and how easy they would be to integrate into existing game-worlds. The same goes to the new core-book classes.
Major Fears:
I fear that there would be too many powers/marks/modifiers per combat turn, meaning more paperwork and tracking to do and thus slowing down things significantly.
I fear class ability/power bloat, meaning that there would be too many options to choose from (makes chargen harder) and that creating new classes would involve significant work.
I fear that the rules would be too focused on combat, with other activities such as dungeon exploration, wilderness adventuring, stealth and social situations would receive less attention, especially when race/class abilities/powers are concerned. Take the dwarves for example - Stonecunning (a dungeon-exploration racial ability) is now gone.
I fear that everything would be magical, or have clearly supernatural powers - including low-level fighters. This would push things towards a high-magic setting, and I like mid-magic or even occasionally low-magic. That would also make the rules harder to use for non-D&D settings such as different fantasy, modern or sci-fi.
I fear that the increase in the number of powers/abilities would complicate gameplay, especially when characters such as fighters - formerly the easiest class to play and the refuge of newbies - are concerned.
I fear that the whole re-thinking and re-imagining of the basic setting and flavor elements of D&D would go too far, and slaughter some old standbys in addition to the sacred cows.
Artwork. Many parts of the preview artwork are "dungeonpunk" in the style of later 3.xE books rather than more classical fantasy/medieval styles. I fear that the flavor of the artwork wouldn't fit my preferences (I like more realistic-feeling art).
Miniatures. I fear that 4E would be more dependent on miniatures and exact tactical movement. This is a minor fear for me as I'm considering moving to minis (or counters) anyway, but I don't really like having my options narrowed.
New races. I am not sure how useful the new races would be in comparison to the previous editions' niche races (gnomes and half-orcs). I don't like gnomes, but I do like half-orcs; but my real concern is how useful the new races would be and how easy they would be to integrate into existing game-worlds. The same goes to the new core-book classes.
Major Fears:
I fear that there would be too many powers/marks/modifiers per combat turn, meaning more paperwork and tracking to do and thus slowing down things significantly.
I fear class ability/power bloat, meaning that there would be too many options to choose from (makes chargen harder) and that creating new classes would involve significant work.
I fear that the rules would be too focused on combat, with other activities such as dungeon exploration, wilderness adventuring, stealth and social situations would receive less attention, especially when race/class abilities/powers are concerned. Take the dwarves for example - Stonecunning (a dungeon-exploration racial ability) is now gone.
I fear that everything would be magical, or have clearly supernatural powers - including low-level fighters. This would push things towards a high-magic setting, and I like mid-magic or even occasionally low-magic. That would also make the rules harder to use for non-D&D settings such as different fantasy, modern or sci-fi.
I fear that the increase in the number of powers/abilities would complicate gameplay, especially when characters such as fighters - formerly the easiest class to play and the refuge of newbies - are concerned.
I fear that the whole re-thinking and re-imagining of the basic setting and flavor elements of D&D would go too far, and slaughter some old standbys in addition to the sacred cows.
Shades of Green
Explorer
LOL!D'karr said:
