Gargazon said:
You sunk my half-orc!
D&D 4E 4e Monster Manual excerpt
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You sunk my half-orc!
DandD
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They still are, but the explicit design goal of 4th edition was also to make the monsters all a little bit more unique and different than their other counterparts, which is why demons will become single-combat monsters with tons of damages and powerful effects, whereas devils are fierce and regimented teamplayers. The demons are Leatherface from Texas Chainsaw Massacre, whereas the devils are American Football player... who want to turn your head into a football.Shazman said:
It's written in Worlds & Monsters.
What at-will ability is there for a first level fighter that makes him do more damage than a 22nd level monster? The Malebranche will use his Trident Power whenever it recharges, and it does a heck of a damage. Combine it with the ability to grant his allies the ability to immediately attack the prone enemy, to enhance their accuracy and surround the victim in a blink, and there is going to be one heck of a damage output per round.
One fact is that D&D can and has always been played like fantasy chess or a miniature game by some people from the beginning, which is no wonder, since it started as a wargame. The "flavor" of the game never changed at all between the editions. It's still a bunch of heroes kicking the doors and then kicking some monsters in their faces. Doesn't matter if you use battlemats and minis (or M&Ms, rubber figures and cheetos), or only your imagination. D&D whatever-edition always worked for both styles of play, and never condemned either.
Green Knight
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Voss said:
That does sound odd to me. There must be more to it, as it makes no sense to maintain it when that's the effect. Succubus flies in, kisses some poor schmoe, and then...? He won't kill her, but he can step back five feet, call for the guards, and have them kill her. Or call the other PC's to kill her while he hides in a hole. Or who knows what else. There must be more to it. Both Charming Kiss and Dominate have the Charm keyword. So it may be that all Charms have some sort of base effect. Well, we'll see. But at the moment, Charming Kiss looks to be more like something the Succubus would use on an ally, and not an enemy.
Mustrum_Ridcully
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Hmm. Interesting idea - using this power on your ally...Green Knight said:
Otherwise, we only know what's explicitly listed in the stat block. I see it as a possibility that the Charm keyword itself tells us more about the power, and what we see in the write-up is only the exceptional extra, but so far, there is no real evidence for it.
(I'd point out that the description of Dominate doesn't seem to tell us how domination works, only the fluff/tactics write-up implies that you can at least use Dominate to get someone move to you...)
Green Knight said:
The Warlocks Eyebite and daily power also have the Charm keyword so it is very unlikely that this keyword alone means you have any control over the target.
You are right. It makes more sense to kiss an ally to have an additional HP buffer.
Mustrum_Ridcully said:
The difference between Dominate and Charming Kiss is that the dominate power says that the target is dominated, and the exact effects of being dominated is likely described elsewhere. Charming Kiss on the other hand does not say that the target is charmed or that any other condition is inflicted on the target. The only thing it does is what is stated in the power as it doesn't references anything else.
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mmu1 said:
But this way, you don't have to ignore stuff you paid for.
If you ignore how I quoted out of context, I will ignore how you have not stopped beating your wife. Deal?
If I don't need something the vast majority of the time, and when I do need it there is a simpler alternative out there, then that tells me the something is over-engineered for the purpose.
But this way, you don't have to pay them to give you rules you're going to ignore. You can pay them for other stuff to ignore instead!
Steely Dan said:
Well, because that's the correct name of the hell region in Dante's Inferno that the layer is modeled on.
It's one of the four zones the ninth and last circle of hell in Dante's work. So named because Cain was punished there, so Cania is just a mispelling.
I don't think Dominate will follow the DDM route. I PRAY it doesn't go the DDM route because using it on a PC would just be mean and I rather use Charming Kiss.
Dominate in DDM basically gives you control over a figure for a standard action said figure can use. Naturally, in the DDM game, you basically use the best ability but here's where it is different.
THe best power generally won't be a one time deal. There's pretty much no creature with a "Once a day" power.
If dominate works a la the DDM/3E version, the best tactic for the succubus isn't to get the enemy to walk towards her. It's to get the enemy to use their DAILY against their own allies.
Technically, you could Dominate a wizard/cleric and do the same thing in previous editions and have them use their most powerful spell but in 1e/2e, by the time you got Dominate, the PCs saving throws were so low and in 3E, WILL is usually a spellcaster's best save so that spellcasters never really had that fear. Conversely, fighters didn't have an single-use power and thus even if they did get dominated, they didn't lose any resources.
Now? With both the new attacks vs defenses AND the introduction of limited resources for fighters, Dominate is just plain mean. That might be one of the reasons why it is limited to a one round effect (the other is probably to keep the player at the table interested since she knows that when her turn comes up on the initiative count, she has control over her character).
Proper Succubus Tactic:
Succubus dominates PC, PC uses DAILY against party, Dominate ends
Formerly Dominated PC can now either move out of range or attack the succubus.
Succubus dominates PC again and uses encounter power against party.
Which is why I doubt dominate is as mean as before.
Dominate in DDM basically gives you control over a figure for a standard action said figure can use. Naturally, in the DDM game, you basically use the best ability but here's where it is different.
THe best power generally won't be a one time deal. There's pretty much no creature with a "Once a day" power.
If dominate works a la the DDM/3E version, the best tactic for the succubus isn't to get the enemy to walk towards her. It's to get the enemy to use their DAILY against their own allies.
Technically, you could Dominate a wizard/cleric and do the same thing in previous editions and have them use their most powerful spell but in 1e/2e, by the time you got Dominate, the PCs saving throws were so low and in 3E, WILL is usually a spellcaster's best save so that spellcasters never really had that fear. Conversely, fighters didn't have an single-use power and thus even if they did get dominated, they didn't lose any resources.
Now? With both the new attacks vs defenses AND the introduction of limited resources for fighters, Dominate is just plain mean. That might be one of the reasons why it is limited to a one round effect (the other is probably to keep the player at the table interested since she knows that when her turn comes up on the initiative count, she has control over her character).
Proper Succubus Tactic:
Succubus dominates PC, PC uses DAILY against party, Dominate ends
Formerly Dominated PC can now either move out of range or attack the succubus.
Succubus dominates PC again and uses encounter power against party.
Which is why I doubt dominate is as mean as before.
AllisterH said:
Why not dominate a different PC and use his daily?
Also what do you propose should Dominate do? Only allow basic attacks? That would be very mean as they wouldn't do much damage and reduces dominate to nothing more than a ranged attack with an additional forced movement.,
