D&D 4E 4e Monster Manual excerpt

[Steely Dan]

Well, because that's the correct name of the hell region in Dante's Inferno that the layer is modeled on.

It's one of the four zones the ninth and last circle of hell in Dante's work. So named because Cain was punished there, so Cania is just a mispelling.

Okay, so which is correct, Caina, or Cania, and which do you prefer?

 

[AllisterH]

Why not dominate a different PC and use his daily?

Also what do you propose should Dominate do? Only allow basic attacks? That would be very mean as they wouldn't do much damage and reduces dominate to nothing more than a ranged attack with an additional forced movement.,

As a DM, I think it's wonderful. It gives me a sort of ENERGY DRAIN fear for the players yet at the same time, it doesn't have that permanent "kick in the pants/why'd I show up today" aspect that energy drain did.

That said, historically, this IS what Dominate was used for in pretty much every other edition of D&D. Like I said before, Dominate Person was useless versus the PCs in 1e/2e by the time it appeared due to the PC's low saving throws and pretty much only useful against the fighter and said fighter never had limited resources AND usually the fighter would only be able to use a basic attack since he usually had to use a move action to attack,

It simply is going to be a kick in the pants for many if monsters start spamming Dominate (which probably explains the 1 round limitation)

 

[Green Knight]

Also what do you propose should Dominate do? Only allow basic attacks? That would be very mean as they wouldn't do much damage and reduces dominate to nothing more than a ranged attack with an additional forced movement.

Mean? Mean to who, the Succubus? I don't think the Succubus is gonna be sitting in her Monster Manual entry pouting if she's not allowed to use up someone's Daily.

Even if you can't use up a Daily, there's still plenty you can do. You can move the PC in such a way as to incur numerous Opportunity Attacks from the Succubus' allies. You can move him out of the way to clear a path to get at the Wizard (Or move the Wizard right up next to the monsters, who can take a whack at him). And a standard attack is pretty good when it's someone who has a good attack bonus and does good damage and it's used against a PC who's been dropped down to low hit points. Kathra, for instance, has a +6 to hit and does 1d10+5 damage. That's hardly trivial damage, there.

So yeah, even if Daily powers are off-limits, there's still plenty that can be done.

 

[hong]

Mean? Mean to who, the Succubus? I don't think the Succubus is gonna be sitting in her Monster Manual entry pouting if she's not allowed to use up someone's Daily.

... if I know what you mean, and I think I do...?

 

[mmu1]

That would be very mean as they wouldn't do much damage and reduces dominate to nothing more than a ranged attack with an additional forced movement.

Which would actually be perfectly consistent with what we've seen of a lot of 4E design so far.

 

[Lacyon]

Also what do you propose should Dominate do? Only allow basic attacks? That would be very mean as they wouldn't do much damage and reduces dominate to nothing more than a ranged attack with an additional forced movement.,

I'd say being able to stop the guy from attacking my side, plus doing some damage to the other side, is a pretty good effect for an at-will power.

 

[Green Knight]

I'd say being able to stop the guy from attacking my side, plus doing some damage to the other side, is a pretty good effect for an at-will power.

Especially when you consider that the Fighter will probably have a Will Defense of about 15 (Kathra would have a 16 at least at 9th-level, but how many other Fighters would have a Wisdom 14?). So the Succubus will probably only need to roll 3-6 or better in order to successfully use Dominate. So the Fighter can count on being Dominated pretty much every round of the fight that the Succubus is still alive.

Not to mention that, even if you can't use At-Will/Encounter/Daily powers, at least you're not getting them used against you. Will a Succubus be able to force a Dominated Fighter to use Passing Attack? Maybe, maybe not. But Passing Attack certainly isn't being used against the Succubus and her allies.

Hmm. I may have to take back my criticisms of Charming Kiss. Imagine the Succubus kissing one PC, keeping him from attacking her (maybe the Striker), while Dominating a second PC, and forcing him to attack the rest of the party? Only 3 PC's would be left to attack her, while she effectively increased her party size by one with the Dominated Fighter. That's not to bad.

 

[Danzauker]

Okay, so which is correct, Caina, or Cania, and which do you prefer?

Caina is correct, and it's the one I prefer, since it's what I'm accustomed to since primary school.

But bear in mind that "correct" in this context is relative, because, obviously, D&D is only inspired on Dante's work (and much more) and not a faithful representation of the cosmology therein, so ultimately, everybody can do as he pleases.

 

[Steely Dan]

Caina is correct, and it's the one I prefer

Me too, so why did they suddenly change it to Cania?

It reeks of that Lolth/Lloth and Cyronax/Cryonax action from back in the day

 

[Danzauker]

Me too, so why did they suddenly change it to Cania?

It reeks of that Lolth/Lloth and Cyronax/Cryonax action from back in the day

I also think it's a case of Heucuva / Huecuva.