Charwoman Gene
Adventurer
Reynard said:
It's been debunked, Magic Items are in the DMG
D&D 4E 4E Player's Handbook just put on some weight!!!!
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It's been debunked, Magic Items are in the DMG
Michael Morris
First Post
a.k.a. the Hokey Pokey 
Snapdragyn
Explorer
Frankly I'd rather they DID put magic items in the PHB. I hate having to go back & forth between the two books when making a higher-level character. 
Whizbang Dustyboots
Gnometown Hero
Never joke about the Hokie Pokey with a VT alumni.Michael Morris said:a.k.a. the Hokey Pokey
*shudders and twitches at the memories*
Jack7
First Post
Concur completely. It's just a game and a 300 page rulebook is a ridiculous waste of time to me. If I desired to devote that much time to reading and digesting rules for a game then somebody would have to pay me to do so, not the other way around. If, for example, I developed a training program for the military in order to promote the development of new skill sets in individual soldiers and I returned with a product which required 300-plus pages of instruction for each involved party then my employers would laugh in my face (and rightfully so). They would tell me my assignment was to develop a training program which made things easy to understand and implement, that my assignment was not to develop a university curriculum which will consume more time deciphering and mastering than practically implementing.
I sometimes wonder if modern age designers understand this very basic point about ease of utilization - if your product requires specialized training to use, then only the specially trained will be using it. If a television required an electricians degree to change channels would everyone own one, or even desire to? And games are just entertainment. Yes, they can have real and practical value, and should have such pragmatic and real world value in my opinion, but they are also games. You should be able to game both to advantage and for entertainment without making it into some kind of alternate and profitless life objective which is also almost fantastically (excuse the pun) time-consuming. And you should be able to figure out very simple things for yourself, like, how to lace up your boots without a rule set for it.
If you need three hundred pages of rules for a game then you don't really have a game, you have a useless time addiction that could be better spent at more productive pursuits. Much unnecessary complexity is a silly design proposition and a useless hypothesis upon which to base an attempt to expand your market.
Do the designers want players to play to gain the benefit(s) of play (whatever those personal or collective benefits might be) or do the designers want the players and DM(s) to earn a Doctorate in game-rule or rule-theory?
I've got no personal interest in earning a Doctorate in game rules and useless trivia.
Even something as simple minded as watching television would be a more productive and efficient use of my time.
I'm hoping this is a publication announcement error, because if not, then I suspect it won't be my error or intention to further complicate the matter.
Whizbang Dustyboots
Gnometown Hero
Alternately, the additional pages could be full page illustrations of GNOMES BEING AWESOME!
theredrobedwizard
Explorer
In order for there to be an illustration of that, it would have to have happened at least once. In at least one possible timeline. In at least one possible multiverse.Whizbang Dustyboots said:
They haven't been awesome yet; hoping for them to be awesome in 4th edition is a bit silly.
-TRRW
fakeedit: Though I do think it was more interesting when we were dealing with Schroedinger's Gnomes, in a quantum state of both In the PHB and Not In the PHB. Then the waveform collapsed, and we were left in the "Whizbang Wantses Them So Badly, Precious" state which we are in currently.
