D&D 4E 4e Prediction - Devils and Yuggoloths get axed

[Brennin Magalus]

I hope so. (They did just that in d20 Modern, as I recall.) I also hope they do something similar for celestial creatures.

 

[LoneWolf23]

I like the names Tanar'ri, Baatezu and Yogoloths.. It gives the various fiends a slightly more Lovecraftian feel, which only increases their sinister unnaturallness...

 

[Aloïsius]

I like the names Tanar'ri, Baatezu and Yogoloths.. It gives the various fiends a slightly more Lovecraftian feel, which only increases their sinister unnaturallness...

I'm not sure I like those fiend to steal the far realms stuff.

I must admit it's somewhat hard to have those two kind of threats in a same world. Because the question "which one is worse" can't be answered.

 

[The Human Target]

I for one would be glad to see it happen.

Pit fiends and balors, Eryines and Succubi etc are all far too similar as it is, you might as well roll em all together.

As for the Blood War, its an easy fix to just have the demons fight each other without sides because they are demons after all.

 

[Mouseferatu]

As for the Blood War, its an easy fix to just have the demons fight each other without sides because they are demons after all.

Or, for that matter, one could simply have a number of fiendish strongholds occupied by the lawful fiends that battle each other for domination, and battle the hordes of chaotic fiends for simple survival. Both sides--lawful and chaotic--could have members of all types of fiends, with their leanings toward law or chaos being individual prerogative, much like humans, with the evil part of the alignment being innate.

Honestly, I find that scenario potentially more interesting than the one where the chaotic and lawful fiends are rigidly divided by species. But then, I've never been an enormous fan of the Blood War. (Or, for that matter, with Planescape's treatment of fiends in general. I love the Planescape setting overall, but not that aspect of it.)

 

[Shemeska]

After just having released FC:I, FC:II, and even the content of Expedition to the Demonweb Pits, I wouldn't expect any radical gutting of the inhabitants of the planes, though I doubt they'll revisit the planes in depth immediately (unfortunately).

Barring the invention of a time machine to make us all go back to the 70's, I really can't see dumping the last two to three decades of development the fiends have seen since their earliest incarnations.

 

[Sammael]

I highly doubt that would happen. If it did, though, it would be a prime reason for me not to buy the 4E books. As in, ever.

Of course, I'd still embrace any positive rule changes and incorporate them in my 3.75 game.

 

[Mouseferatu]

After just having released FC:I, FC:II, and even the content of Expedition to the Demonweb Pits, I wouldn't expect any radical gutting of the inhabitants of the planes, though I doubt they'll revisit the planes in depth immediately (unfortunately).

Oh, I agree. I don't expect any major changes, just spitballing some ideas.

 

[The Human Target]

Or, for that matter, one could simply have a number of fiendish strongholds occupied by the lawful fiends that battle each other for domination, and battle the hordes of chaotic fiends for simple survival. Both sides--lawful and chaotic--could have members of all types of fiends, with their leanings toward law or chaos being individual prerogative, much like humans, with the evil part of the alignment being innate.

Honestly, I find that scenario potentially more interesting than the one where the chaotic and lawful fiends are rigidly divided by species. But then, I've never been an enormous fan of the Blood War. (Or, for that matter, with Planescape's treatment of fiends in general. I love the Planescape setting overall, but not that aspect of it.)

I'm right with you on all of that.

In general, I'm all for a drastic rehauling of the monsters for 4E. There is an overabundance of creatures that are all pretty similar to other creatures, and I feel like the game would be better for rolling them together as much as possible.

 

[scottmcmillan]

I hear in 4E, goblins, kobolds, orcs, bugbears and hobgoblins will all get axed, in favor of a single monster type called "stewies," based on Family Guy.

My god that's freakin' brilliant. You deserve a medal or a pickaxe to the spinal column for that. I'm not sure which.