4e: The final word

[justanobody]

You brought up the RPGA, pops.

I know, kiddo.

But you asked a question about it, and I am trying to ask you "which RPGA you are talking about?"

 

[Brown Jenkin]

Highlander 2 was a horrible Highlander movie, but it was still a Highlander movie. If I remember correctly, they said that it doesn't take place in the same reality as the others. Then again, none of the Highlander movies, let alone the TV shows, take place in the same reality. Similar, but not the same.
I look forward to the new Highlander that they're doing. It's supposed to be a remake. I think they're trying to restart the series. Which is awesome if done well.

HERETIC - There was no such movie.

 

[Fifth Element]

But you asked a question about it, and I am trying to ask you "which RPGA you are talking about?"

Are you trying to say the RPGA can be an answer to the question, if you can travel back in time?

You seem to be saying the RPGA's opinion on what D&D is can be considered, but only if you go back in time before the RPGA had ever seen 4E. That's the vibe I'm getting.

What is your point?

 

[Charwoman Gene]

I've decided to call eveyone on this sight, pops. It's gonna be my new signature. Except for Erik Mona, he keeps his name of *CENSORED* and anyone who is a real 70's D&D diehard, they get called son. Especially if they are female.

 

[justanobody]

Are you trying to say the RPGA can be an answer to the question, if you can travel back in time?

What? Put down the ogre-sized hookah.

You seem to be saying the RPGA's opinion on what D&D is can be considered, but only if you go back in time before the RPGA had ever seen 4E. That's the vibe I'm getting.

You get many things wrong, so that is understandable.

I am saying that when the RPGA runs a D&D event, then you can see by the allowed material what is D&D.

In the 80's that was nearly nothing because D&D was pretty much gone by then, so the RPGA had AD&D events. (Never was at a Con back then to know how many D&D v AD&D games were run but sure Frank Mentzer still ran a few...)

In the 90's...same thing, but with less D&D.

Early 2000's, the RPGA was 3rd edition then 3.5.

Now LFR is 4th edition.

While I do not consider 4th edition to be D&D, I accept it carries the name, and at least tells me there is a chance it is involved when someone mentions it, unlike someone just saying they play D&D, but have no D&D in it because they use D&D as a general term for just any old RPG, so they can look cool by saying they play D&D.

Vampire, Mage, etc set in Forgotten Realms (or even Ravenloft) is not D&D.

Likewise playing a Glasswalker in D&D, does not mean you are playing Werewofl(tm).

What is your point?

That is the point.

People have more interest in fitting in than communicating properly what they are talking about. If you don't play D&D, then don't claim to. It is ok NOT to play D&D. Just tell people the truth about what you are playing.

I play Vampire using the Forgotten Realms lore and backdrop.

I recall a Nancy Grace episode blaming D&D within the past 2 years for parents neglecting their children when they were talking about WoW because they wanted to over-generalize. Don't be as dumb as Nancy Grace. Learn what you are talking about and say it correctly so that other people will understand you.

Playing the Naruto RPG made from the OGL, does not make you playing D&D either.

That OGL has confused people into thinking everything is D&D. It needs to stop. (Not the OGL, but people calling things something they are not.)

 

[Fifth Element]

I am saying that when the RPGA runs a D&D event, then you can see by the allowed material what is D&D.

Okay, so 4E is currently D&D.[/quote]
I think the argument against you is that your definition of D&D (which specifically excludes AD&D) is far too narrow to be of use to anyone.

That OGL has confused people into thinking everything is D&D. It needs to stop. (Not the OGL, but people calling things something they are not.)

Ridiculous strawman. Obviously we don't need to OGL to call things D&D that are not to you, since AD&D is not D&D to you. And most people would consider AD&D to be D&D.

I just think you know what the phrase "is not D&D" means to most people. We don't mean "a game specifically called only Dungeons & Dragons". That wouldn't be enough for you anyway, since what we refer to as 4E is actually just called "Dungeons & Dragons". You've got some sort of strange double-standard of what is D&D, using the "A" in AD&D to demonstrate that it's not D&D, but then saying the current edition of "D&D" is also not D&D.

To summarize, I haven't the foggiest idea what you're trying to say. It doesn't make any sense to me at all.

 

[Engilbrand]

I think I figured out what Justanobody is saying. Only the very first edition of D&D is D&D. Everything afterwards is a pale mockery of the first. Also, since they tended to add more to the title, they're not D&D.
The problem with this is that it is pure semantics. When most people talk about what D&D is, or the "feel" of D&D, they're talking about something more than just semantics. They don't mean the original game of Dungeons and Dragons. They mean "Dungeons and Dragons". The idea is the thing.
By saying that AD&D and everything afterwards isn't D&D because it added an A or other things, you're arguing something completely different from the rest of this. Your argument is, quite literally, "This is a kerfluffle."

 

[The Little Raven]

To summarize, I haven't the foggiest idea what you're trying to say. It doesn't make any sense to me at all.

If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bull?

 

[justanobody]

If someone says lets play some D&D, I am thinking either of these things:

-OD&D, RC...., 3rd :yuck:, 4th :slap: :yuck: (This ain't D&D but I expected as much.)

If someone says lets play some AD&D, I am thinking either of these things:

-1st edition, 2nd edition, keep that Player's Options crap the hell away from me.

If someone says lets play some D&D and means something else with small bits of D&D, I am thinking:

 

[Charwoman Gene]

I think I figured out what Justanobody is saying. Only the very first edition of D&D is D&D. Everything afterwards is a pale mockery of the first.

Diaglo? Is that you? Have you returned in a new trollicious shell?