4th IR: OOC Thread

[Tokiwong]

The Articles of the Dauntless

The Articles of the Dauntless

Penned by Misha Koldun

Article 1: Each member nation of the Dauntless is a member of its own volition, and therefore retains all rights to revoke membership at their leisure. Though while under the guise of the Dauntless the following articles shall be in effect in their lands.

Article 2: We shall hold self-evident that all peoples are born with the intrinsic nature of being free, and slavery, both physical, mental, or by magical means is hereby abolished in the lands of the Dauntless. Current slaves in Dauntless lands will be set free and given compensation dependent upon the will and the ability of the individual nation from which the slave hails from.

Article 3: Beyond slavery, moralistic law shall not be enforced by the Dauntless, such laws shall be left in the competent hands of the proper authority governing the individual member state. But the following shall be considered capital offense in the lands of the Dauntless. Murder, which shall be defined as the slaying of another individual outside the boundaries of warfare, and not in self-defense. Rape, both physical and mental rape which shall be defined as the forcing of one’s self upon another shall not be tolerated by any means. Treason to the Dauntless nations is punishable by death.

Article 4: In the lands of the Dauntless, extradition shall be in effect, and criminals cannot seek amnesty within the lands of Dauntless, to flee the authorities of one member nation to another. This is in the happenstance that perhaps a criminal flees justice by retreating to a land where the laws do abolish the actions of the criminal. The criminal can still be detained, and returned to the member nation for justice.

Article 5: The Dauntless shall enjoy free flow trade of economical support, information, and cultural ideals. It shall be the will of this document to promote trade between the nations of the Dauntless. In addition, each member nation of the Dauntless has a responsibility to defend their brethren, within their means. Mutual defense of our interests is the primary concern of the Dauntless. To commit to war the resources of the Dauntless takes a vote amidst the Dauntless Council, to initiate full-scale war. The exception is in defense of member nations, action shall be taken immediately and swiftly to protect member nation assets.

Article 6: Each member nation shall have a representative for the lands or groupings of territories, that shall sit upon the Dauntless Council, all member nations shall be equal in voting power. This Council shall convene to discuss matters that affect the Dauntless as a whole, and vote upon the motion to be carried. Among the member nations, a Speaker of the Dauntless shall be appointed, by vote of the gathered Member Nations, shall be appointed, and their role shall be to break any ties in the council. Thus the Speaker shall have two votes, and the second vote can only be made to break ties.

Article 7: This document is a living document, and may be amended by member nations by vote of the Dauntless Council. In addition, these articles give the Dauntless Council jurisdiction to vote on matters not herein contained, thus giving them the power to change and amend as needed, and new happenstances arise.

It shall be the will of this document, that the Dauntless prosper…

Let me know if this warranted, Dauntless members, a written document may help us do business, and keep ourselvs organized in these trying times.

 

[Serpenteye]

Okay, after carefull consideration (And by looking up the land you have claimed, which seems to be almost half of fearun) I have dedided to ally with you!

Exellent, I have already made some interesting plans for our mutual benefit..

The western heartlands, I know they are important but I jst can't seem to find the name on the map, am I looking wrong, is there another name I can look for, what are neighbouring sites?
Procampur
Tazalhar
The forest of Mir

Western Heartlands? - I'm not really sure what Edena considers to be part of that territory. I think it's a general term for the North Western Faerûn.

Procampur is south of the Vast at the northern coast of the Inner Sea.

Tazalhar is just east of Chult on the south coast of the Shining Sea.

The Forest of Miir is between Tethyr and Calimshan.

Also, I don't understand why you have Luskan, because that City is very isolated The nearest other place you control is Baldur's gate, which is a susbatantial distance away.

Perhaps because its on the coast and an important (evil) trading and pirating city. You're right, it is a peripheral area and I might drop it for something else if anybody wants to trade. The same goes fot my territories in the North East Faerûn.

 

[Timothy]

Edena, this seems to be a lot of work we have made for you, and I will easen it for you by writing down all aditional claims made since your editing of the last 'who controls what' post on page 1.


LICHTENHART

Cormyr (PL 4) (The Free Peoples)
The Dalelands (PL 3) (The Free Peoples)
Shadowdale (PL 2) (The Free Peoples)
The Knights of Myth Drannor (PL 4) (The Free Peoples)
The Metallic Dragons of Faerun (PL 9) (The Dauntless)
The Gem Dragons of Faerun (PL 9) (The Dauntless)
The Church of Torm the True (PL 3) (The Dauntless)
The Church of Tyr (PL 3)
The Church of Ilmater (PL 3)

*The Harpers of Twilight Hall (PL 3)
*The Harpers at Berdusk (PL 5)

WILLIAM

The Seven Sisters
Neverwinter
Waterdeep
The Lord's Alliance
Khelben Arunsun Blackstaff and his Harpstar Organization (PL 3)
The elves of Ardeep Forest
Nesme
The Treants and their allies in the High Forest
Icewind Dale
The North (west of Anauroch)
Nimbral Isle
Lantan Isle
The Ffolk of the Moonshaes
The Free Peoples of the Moonshaes
Church of Eldath of the Singing Waters (PL 3)
The Church of Lathander
Raven’s Bluff (Ardan’s home town.)
The Church of Tyr
The Church of Chauntea (fits in well with the Moonshaes)
The Church of Shialla
The Church of Kelemvor
The Church of Jergal
The Church of Waukeen

MR. DRACO

Moonsheas
Sword Coast
Waterdeep
Sword Coast North
Western Heartlands
Icewind Dale
(All lands allready claimed by william and bugbear)

TIMOTHY

Dambrath
The Forest of Amtar (From Sollir)
Lapaliiya (From Sollir)
Mother of Mists
Tharsult
The Desert Tribes (zakhara)
The Churches of The Zakahrian Pantheon and the curges of all the gods outside the pantheon.
The Ratmen from Scarred Lands, Ghelspad

VENUS

The Dwarves of the North
The Dwarves of the Moonsea
The Dwarves of the Old South
The Dwarves of the Great Rift
The Dwarves of the Shining South

SERPENTEYE

Beholders of the Lake of Steam (PL 8)
The Church of Gond the Wonderbringer (PL 3)
The Church of Waukeen

TFO

The Kingdom of the Ice Queen (the Great Glacier) (evil)
The Gem Dragons of Faerun
The Forest of Wyrms (evil)
and any other intelligent undead on fearun

KALANYR

The elves of Ardeep Forest
The Drow of Cormanthor

The Black Jungle (neutral)
The Mhair Jungle (neutral)
The Frozen Forest (neutral)
The Rawlinswoods (neutral)
The Forest of Lether (neutral)
The Unseelie of Faerun

MELKOR

Chromatic Dragons of Krynn and from any other worlds if possible.
Knights of Takhisis and Dragon Overlords
Shadow and Deep Dragons of Faerun
Underdark races like thr drow or Duergar

BUGBEAR

The Dwarves of the North (PL 3)
Khelben Arunsun Blackstaff and his Harpstar Organization (PL 3)
The Lord's Alliance (PL 10)
Luruar (PL 5)
Icewind Dale (PL 2)
The Silver Marches (PL 4)
The Enlightened Gnomes (PL 15) (The Dauntless)
The Church of Helm the Watcher (PL 3) (The Dauntless)
The Church of Oghma the Binder (PL 3) (The Dauntless)

 

[Bugbear]

Areas contested with me.

William ronald
The Lord's Alliance
Khelben Arunsun Blackstaff and his Harpstar Organization
The North (west of Anauroch): This would be the Silver marches and Lurular
Icewind Dale

Mr Draco
Icewind Dale

Venus
The Dwarves of the North: I contend that since these were my original sponsors, and that they make their homes in the other Areas I have claimed, they should go to me.


To Timothy: The Western Heartlands are not a country, but a large strech of wilderness dotted with indipendant towns. look on page 29 of the FRCS (the regional map) to get an idea of how big it is.

 

[Bugbear]

Re: The Articles of the Dauntless

The Articles of the Dauntless

Penned by Misha Koldun

Article 1: Each member nation of the Dauntless is a member of its own volition, and therefore retains all rights to revoke membership at their leisure. Though while under the guise of the Dauntless the following articles shall be in effect in their lands.

Article 2: We shall hold self-evident that all peoples are born with the intrinsic nature of being free, and slavery, both physical, mental, or by magical means is hereby abolished in the lands of the Dauntless. Current slaves in Dauntless lands will be set free and given compensation dependent upon the will and the ability of the individual nation from which the slave hails from.

Article 3: Beyond slavery, moralistic law shall not be enforced by the Dauntless, such laws shall be left in the competent hands of the proper authority governing the individual member state. But the following shall be considered capital offense in the lands of the Dauntless. Murder, which shall be defined as the slaying of another individual outside the boundaries of warfare, and not in self-defense. Rape, both physical and mental rape which shall be defined as the forcing of one’s self upon another shall not be tolerated by any means. Treason to the Dauntless nations is punishable by death.

Article 4: In the lands of the Dauntless, extradition shall be in effect, and criminals cannot seek amnesty within the lands of Dauntless, to flee the authorities of one member nation to another. This is in the happenstance that perhaps a criminal flees justice by retreating to a land where the laws do abolish the actions of the criminal. The criminal can still be detained, and returned to the member nation for justice.

Article 5: The Dauntless shall enjoy free flow trade of economical support, information, and cultural ideals. It shall be the will of this document to promote trade between the nations of the Dauntless. In addition, each member nation of the Dauntless has a responsibility to defend their brethren, within their means. Mutual defense of our interests is the primary concern of the Dauntless. To commit to war the resources of the Dauntless takes a vote amidst the Dauntless Council, to initiate full-scale war. The exception is in defense of member nations, action shall be taken immediately and swiftly to protect member nation assets.

Article 6: Each member nation shall have a representative for the lands or groupings of territories, that shall sit upon the Dauntless Council, all member nations shall be equal in voting power. This Council shall convene to discuss matters that affect the Dauntless as a whole, and vote upon the motion to be carried. Among the member nations, a Speaker of the Dauntless shall be appointed, by vote of the gathered Member Nations, shall be appointed, and their role shall be to break any ties in the council. Thus the Speaker shall have two votes, and the second vote can only be made to break ties.

Article 7: This document is a living document, and may be amended by member nations by vote of the Dauntless Council. In addition, these articles give the Dauntless Council jurisdiction to vote on matters not herein contained, thus giving them the power to change and amend as needed, and new happenstances arise.

It shall be the will of this document, that the Dauntless prosper…

Let me know if this warranted, Dauntless members, a written document may help us do business, and keep ourselvs organized in these trying times.

I take exception to Articles 4 and article 6.

The problem with article 4 is that we may not agree with what makes a criminal. for example, lets say that a outspoken individual of the Mertiocracy seeks asylum in Dauntless lands. He has spoken against the goverment openly and refused to use the Mertiocracies Pleasure Drug. This would make him a criminal (correct Serpenteye?). Under your extradition law, we could not aid him, and would have to hand the poor sod back to the Mertiocracy with a little bow and roses. This goes against the foundations of what the dauntless stands for.

As for Article 6, I fear that in this time of emergency a councel goverment such as you sugest would be inefficent in the extreme. Right now, the lands of the Dauntless require a strong central leader who can lead the Dauntless nations out of chaos.

These two article will not be accepted in my regions, the others I am still considering

Personaly I think of the Dauntless as an international Organization. Member countries can run their affairs as they see fit. It's an alliance, made up of peoples with similar goals. More like NATO than the UN or The US Congress.

Edit: I will also like to propose an amendment to Article 2, concerning Slavery. The proposition allows for forcible indentured servitude for convicted criminals to the state. This is to help rehabilitate criminals. They will learn a useful skill and pay back their society for the crime they have commited against it.

 

[Tokiwong]

Re: Re: The Articles of the Dauntless

I take exception to Articles 4 and article 6.

The problem with article 4 is that we may not agree with what makes a criminal. for example, lets say that a outspoken individual of the Mertiocracy seeks asylum in Dauntless lands. He has spoken against the goverment openly and refused to use the Mertiocracies Pleasure Drug. This would make him a criminal (correct Serpenteye?). Under your extradition law, we could not aid him, and would have to hand the poor sod back to the Mertiocracy with a little bow and roses. This goes against the foundations of what the dauntless stands for.

As for Article 6, I fear that in this time of emergency a councel goverment such as you sugest would be inefficent in the extreme. Right now, the lands of the Dauntless require a strong central leader who can lead the Dauntless nations out of chaos.

These two article will not be accepted in my regions, the others I am still considering

Personaly I think of the Dauntless as an international Organization. Member countries can run their affairs as they see fit. It's an alliance, made up of peoples with similar goals. More like NATO than the UN or The US Congress.

Edit: I will also like to propose an amendment to Article 2, concerning Slavery. The proposition allows for forcible indentured servitude for convicted criminals to the state. This is to help rehabilitate criminals. They will learn a useful skill and pay back their society for the crime they have commited against it.

I like the Amendment for #2, and this is a roguh draft as it is, perhaps a strong leader is needed, alrighty then, we can nix #6, and then drop #4, anything else... I really think, having a standard of rules, will help us to facilitate solidarity among the Dauntless, the forces of evil, will be surely working together in some way... nothing binding but keep us focused, and protect Faerun...

 

[Tokiwong]

Are Serpent Eye's lands within the boundaries of the Dauntless, because the Extradition only applies to Dauntless lands.. so that a criminal cannmot flee from one Dauntless territory to another Dauntless territory

 

[Timothy]

Re: Re: The Articles of the Dauntless

I take exception to Articles 4 and article 6.

The problem with article 4 is that we may not agree with what makes a criminal. for example, lets say that a outspoken individual of the Mertiocracy seeks asylum in Dauntless lands. He has spoken against the goverment openly and refused to use the Mertiocracies Pleasure Drug. This would make him a criminal (correct Serpenteye?). Under your extradition law, we could not aid him, and would have to hand the poor sod back to the Mertiocracy with a little bow and roses. This goes against the foundations of what the dauntless stands for.

I think Tokiwong means any criminals from lands that also belong to the dauntless

EDIT: Tokiwong allready said it.

 

[Tokiwong]

Re: Re: Re: The Articles of the Dauntless

I think Tokiwong means any criminals from lands that also belong to the dauntless

EDIT: Tokiwong allready said it.

Thanks Timothy my exact thoughts...

 

[Bugbear]

Are Serpent Eye's lands within the boundaries of the Dauntless, because the Extradition only applies to Dauntless lands.. so that a criminal cannmot flee from one Dauntless territory to another Dauntless territory

Ah, you are correct. I misinterpeted the article in question. I had assumed that this would effect our relations with non-member states as well (and it could, for it sets precident)

I recomend the following modifications then.

1. Criminals must be returned to their native land for trial. If a waterdeep citizen murders a Silverymoon citizen, he must be returned to Waterdeep for trial.

2. Extradition treaties with non-member nations are at the leasure of the member states. This allows members who do not wish to provide amenisy to non-dauntless members to set up extradition treaties. This also sets precedent for other non-military pacts between individual nations.

Also place a clause in there stating that military Alliances are the perveiw of the Dauntless, not the member states.