5' step between attacks

[Patryn of Elvenshae]

Heh - that's only because I was just in the WWA with DD thread.

 

[Scharlata]

Anyone may take a single 5' step at any point in the middle of a Full Attack action (including when using a Whirlwind Attack).[...]

Hi!

I doubt that you can do that.
The text of Whirlwind Attack states that you "make one melee attack ... against each opponent within reach." Why would you suggest that the text allows the attacker a 5-foot-step adjustment in between the quasi-simultaneouly happening whirlwind attacks? IMHO, if it were meant as you suggest the text would not mention the reach of the attacker.

Kind regards

 

[Lasher Dragon]

You get a 5 ft. step in a full-round action. Unless it specifically said you didn't get it, I don't see why you wouldn't.

 

[Hypersmurf]

Dervish Dancing allows you to take as many 5' steps as you want, limited to a total distance moved of your movement, and you must move before each attack.

Careful.

The movement in a Dervish Dance is not 5' steps, just normal movement (provoking AoOs etc).

-Hyp.

 

[Patryn of Elvenshae]

I doubt that you can do that.

You can. The standard rule is that, when making a Full Attack, you may take your 5' step first, last, or in between any two attacks.

Whirlwind Attack is merely a different form - a modifier, if you will - of Full Attack.

It's also spelled out explicitly here:

Normal: Without this feat, using the Whirlwind Attack feat requires a full attack action, and the character can take a 5-foot step between any two of the attacks.

 

[Scharlata]

It's also spelled out explicitly here:

Originally Posted by SRD, Epic Feats, Improved Whirlwind Attack
Normal: Without this feat, using the Whirlwind Attack feat requires a full attack action, and the character can take a 5-foot step between any two of the attacks.

Hi!

Convinced!

Why - just why - can't they make that very clear in the standard text? I don't use (and therefore don't really've read) the Epic rules.

Thanx and kind regards

 

[Patryn of Elvenshae]

Why - just why - can't they make that very clear in the standard text? I don't use (and therefore don't really've read) the Epic rules.

Because that would be too easy.

I actually didn't realize you could do it, either, until the WWA and Dervish Dance thread.

After reading it, I said, "Of course! WWA is just a special kind of full attack, and you can work free actions into the middle of full attacks without problem. Of course you can 5' step in the middle of a WWA."

 

[Thanee]

Would you have ruled otherwise?

Yes (assuming regular invisibility, that ends after the attack).

The assassin can only ever study one target at a time, so that part I would have done the same.

If outside of a combat situation, the assassin would get a single sneak attack & death attack on the first target, assuming the assassin was unnoticed until then. This attack would happen in the surprise round. Afterwards, initiative is rolled (technically the assassin rolls in the surprise round already, tho that is rather pointless if there is noone else to act). Now, if the assassin goes before the second target, a sneak attack (full attack even) could be made, since the target is still flat-footed then (combat proceeds as normal).

Inside combat, the assassin could also make a full attack, but only the first would count as a sneak attack (& death attack for that matter), since afterwards the invisibility is worn off and noone is considered flat-footed anymore, since it's already inside combat, so the second target would just get a normal attack in that case.

Bye
Thanee