D&D 5E 5e EPIC MONSTER UPDATES

[Thirteenspades]

??? Epic Boons are for PCs.

Okay cause I saw Iggwilv with epic boons and her CR was 9 higher than the one without.

 

[dave2008]

Okay cause I saw Iggwilv with epic boons and her CR was 9 higher than the one without.

Got it - I was just explaining how she achieved things beyond a typical PC.

However, an epic boon has the same effect any other trait. It is a case by case basis. If a boon gives more HP (Boon of Fortitude) then you use that HP in the CR calculation. There is not set guide for 1 boon = X bonus to CR. You just calculate CR normally.

 

[Thirteenspades]

EPIC MONSTERS:
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Godforged Colossus (CR 38):
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Baak (CR 35):
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Iron Colossus (CR 33):
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Umbral Blot (CR 30):
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Stone Colossus (CR 28):
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Flesh Colossus (CR 23):
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Adamantine Golem (CR 21):
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Anaxim (CR 20)
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In terms of potential, what is the most powerful construct? Admantine Colossus?

 

[dave2008]

In terms of potential, what is the most powerful construct? Admantine Colossus?

The god forged would be the highest. The adamantine would either be synonymous with the god forged or be less powerful.

 

[Modesaus]

This is a great concept for deities and powers. But there is a lot of mistakes in the power level, for example I give tiamat and asmodeus because they are the ones that I am most interested in. Tiamat is a lesser deity, not her avatar, I don't know if the 30 CR monster stats in rise of tiamat are for her or for her avatar, but she is 100% a lesser deity and not greater deity. Asmodeus, is an archdevil, yes, but he is also a greater deity, so it makes no sense that he is a CR 34 while Tiamat is 48.

 

[Modesaus]

I actually believe that the stats you wrote for her as a CR 48 match better for a LESSER DEITY, but that means that if this is a lesser deity you need to scale everything up.

 

[dave2008]

This is a great concept for deities and powers. But there is a lot of mistakes in the power level, for example I give tiamat and asmodeus because they are the ones that I am most interested in. Tiamat is a lesser deity, not her avatar, I don't know if the 30 CR monster stats in rise of tiamat are for her or for her avatar, but she is 100% a lesser deity and not greater deity. Asmodeus, is an archdevil, yes, but he is also a greater deity, so it makes no sense that he is a CR 34 while Tiamat is 48.

In 5e Asmodeus is not a greater power. The MM specifically states that he has power similar to a Lesser Deity, same as Tiamat. FYI, the version of Tiamat in RoT is intended to her stat block, not here avatar.

Regarding why I have Tiamat so much higher: I'm biased. It has never made sense to me the the god of dragons is so weak. Therefore, her stat block here is based on a combination of D&D Tiamat and her mythological origins as the mother of all monsters and greatest foe of the gods.

 

[dave2008]

I actually believe that the stats you wrote for her as a CR 48 match better for a LESSER DEITY, but that means that if this is a lesser deity you need to scale everything up.

I'm working on a new series of deities which will make these look like chumps

 

[Matrix Sorcica]

It has never made sense to me the the god of dragons is so weak. Therefore, her stat block here is based on a combination of D&D Tiamat and her mythological origins as the mother of all monsters and greatest foe of the gods.

I still don't like her being an actual god. I get that dragons worship her in some way (and that metallics worship Bahamut), but that imo should be from a "she' the baddest mo-fo around these parts" perspective, not because "oh, she's our holiest". So, more like the BBD at the end of How to Train Your Dragon, and less because of divinity.
Now, her actual power level might be equal to a lesser deity, but that's another story....

 

[dave2008]

I still don't like her being an actual god. I get that dragons worship her in some way (and that metallics worship Bahamut), but that imo should be from a "she' the baddest mo-fo around these parts" perspective, not because "oh, she's our holiest". So, more like the BBD at the end of How to Train Your Dragon, and less because of divinity.
Now, her actual power level might be equal to a lesser deity, but that's another story....

That is basically what I will be doing with the "Dragon Rulers" in ASCENSION. I call them "Rulers," because the are not true gods. Like you said, some mortals may worship them as gods (but not dragons), but they are in fact something else. It is going back to their roots in BECMI (though they are different dragon rulers in M & I). They have the might of gods, but they don't have Authority like true deities.