D&D 5E 5E Survivor - Subclasses (Part III: Bards)

[Maxperson]

College of Creation 4
College of Eloquence 25
College of Glamour 22
College of Lore 24
College of Spirits 20
College of Valor 16
College of Whispers 12

 

[chrisrtld]

College of Creation 2
College of Eloquence 25
College of Glamour 22
College of Lore 25
College of Spirits 20
College of Valor 16
College of Whispers 12

 

[RealAlHazred]

College of Creation 2 + 1 = 3
College of Eloquence 25
College of Glamour 22
College of Lore 25 - 2 = 23
College of Spirits 20
College of Valor 16
College of Whispers 12

 

[Tonguez]

College of Creation 4
College of Eloquence 25
College of Glamour 22
College of Lore 23
College of Spirits 20
College of Valor 16
College of Whispers 10

 

[Helldritch]

College of Creation 4
College of Eloquence 25
College of Glamour 22
College of Lore 23 +1 = 24
College of Spirits 20
College of Valor 16
College of Whispers 10 -2 = 8

But I still prefer Snarf's idea...

 

[CleverNickName]

But I still prefer Snarf's idea...

Soon.

 

[see]

College of Creation 4
College of Eloquence 25
College of Glamour 22
College of Lore 25
College of Spirits 20
College of Valor 16
College of Whispers 6

 

[Helldritch]

Forgive me @see but 8-2 = 6, not four. Not that I really mind as the college of whispers should be dead already (as should be all bards...) but in the name of fairness, edit, please.

 

[Burnside]

College of Creation 4
College of Eloquence 25
College of Glamour 22
College of Lore 26
College of Spirits 20
College of Valor 16
College of Whispers 4

Fixed the math error from post #47.

No idea why folks consider Valor better than Swords as the martial bard. Swords is clearly better.

 

[Tonguez]

No idea why folks consider Valor better than Swords as the martial bard. Swords is clearly better.

because Bard is a support class and Valor helps the team, whereas Swords is selfish and keeps inspiration for themselves

 

[JEB]

College of Creation 4
College of Eloquence 25 - 2 = 23
College of Glamour 22
College of Lore 26
College of Spirits 20
College of Valor 16 + 1 = 17
College of Whispers 4

 

[Omand]

College of Creation 4 - 2 = 2
College of Eloquence 23
College of Glamour 22
College of Lore 26
College of Spirits 20 + 1 = 21
College of Valor 17
College of Whispers 4

 

[Ogre Mage]

College of Creation 0 -- go create a better subclass
College of Eloquence 23
College of Glamour 22
College of Lore 27
College of Spirits 21
College of Valor 17
College of Whispers 4

 

[Argyle King]

College of Eloquence 23
College of Glamour 22 - 2 = 20
College of Lore 27 + 1 = 28
College of Spirits 21
College of Valor 17
College of Whispers 4

 

[FitzTheRuke]

College of Eloquence 24
College of Glamour 20
College of Lore 28
College of Spirits 21
College of Valor 17
College of Whispers 2

 

[Helldritch]

College of Eloquence 24
College of Glamour 20
College of Lore 28 + 1 = 29
College of Spirits 21
College of Valor 17
College of Whispers 2 -2 = 0

One more to erase. I am on my phone so sorry for not having colors to my post.

 

[RoughCoronet0]

College of Eloquence 24
College of Glamour 20
College of Lore 29-2=27
College of Spirits 21+1=22
College of Valor 17

 

[Paul Farquhar]

College of Eloquence 25
College of Glamour 20
College of Lore 27
College of Spirits 22
College of Valor 15

 

[CleverNickName]

College of Eloquence 25
College of Glamour 20
College of Lore 27
College of Spirits 22+1=23
College of Valor 15-2=13

 

[Paul Farquhar]

No idea why folks consider Valor better than Swords as the martial bard. Swords is clearly better.

because Bard is a support class and Valor helps the team, whereas Swords is selfish and keeps inspiration for themselves

I do wish people wouldn't pigeonhole classes into certain roles. Especially when they are the wrong role. Traditionally, bards where the "can fill in wherever the group is lacking" class.

I've played great melee bards in 2nd and 3rd edition. A very fun character, and feels a lot more like classic bard types from myth and literature. Unfortunately, both Swords and Valour are weak fits for this archetype, especially compared to earlier editions, although swords was definitely the less bad.