D&D 5E 5E Survivor - Subclasses (Part XV: The FINAL ROUND)
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Tonguez
A suffusion of yellow
DND_Reborn
The High Aldwin
I think I'm done with the Survivor series at this point. It's been fun and I'm glad I get rid of Tempest Domain, but its time to move on. Cheers. 
Smythe the Bard
Explorer
yes a break is needed for a bit; but that Monster survivor could be a fun exercise.
CleverNickName
Limit Break Dancing
The latest (and my last!) Survivor thread is up!
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D&D 5E - 5E Survivor: Species (formerly, "Races"): Lightfoot Halfling Wins!
In the previous Survivor thread, we put all of the subclasses up against each other to determine an all-time champion. And while it wasn't always awesome, and plenty of rotten apples ended up in the barrel, we did get some pretty good discussions out of it (and a cool new Warlock!). So I'm...
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Argyle King
Legend
Order of Elimintation:
1. Immortal (Mystic). Vote: 66 by @Leuenherz
2. Battle Smith (Artificer). Vote 135 by @Leuenherz
3. Divine Soul (Sorcerer). Vote 282 by @Omand
4. Tempest Domain (Cleric). Vote 378 by @DND_Reborn
5. Fiend Patron (Warlock). Vote 474 by @DND_Reborn
6. Way of the Kensei (Monk). Vote 480 by @J-H
7. School of Abjuration (Wizard). Vote 531 by @Vaalingrade
8. Circle of the Shepherd (Druid). Vote 574 by @overgeeked
9. Gloom Stalker (Ranger). Vote 626 by @Smythe the Bard
10. Battle Master (Fighter). Vote 678 by @DND_Reborn
11. Path of the Totem Warrior (Barbarian). Vote 682 by @Plaguescarred
12. College of Lore (Bard). Vote 692 by @Digdude@1970
13. Thief (Rogue). Vote 698 by @cwallach
Highest Scores achieved:
Thief (Rogue) 55
Ancients (Paladin) 55
It is appropriate then that these were also the final two contenders?
I think so.
So, the final four were
Oath of Ancients Paladin (winner)
Thief Rogue
College of Lore Bard
Totem Warrior Barbarian
That could be a fun party.
DND_Reborn
The High Aldwin
Yep, it would fill niches pretty well, too.
- Paladin can be healer as well, with Bard support, or vice versa.
- Thief and Bard both have expertise, so skills would be good.
- Lore Bard gets extra skills as well.
- Paladin and Barbarian could both be melee builds.
- Thief and Bard could both be ranged builds.
- Paladin and Bard are both CHA-based so social is well-handed.
- Bards have good spell selection and magical secrets.
- Paladin has decent half-caster spell selection, also.
Ancalagon
Dusty Dragon
What I find interesting here is how one voter (me) probably changed the outcome. I downvoted bard at least a dozen times. If I hadn't been so steady, the bard might have won...
I suspect that I am not the only such person, that there are several cases like this where if one person had/hadn't been involved the outcome would have been different. We need more voters perhaps?
I suspect that I am not the only such person, that there are several cases like this where if one person had/hadn't been involved the outcome would have been different. We need more voters perhaps?
RealAlHazred
Frumious Flumph
I feel good. Now, everybody should just be making Oath of the Ancients Paladins, right? They're objectively the best choice. Somebody should inform the OneD&D guys, they need to just make a single OotA Paladin class... maybe with a bunch of subclasses? Ooh, one that enlarges during fights! And one that is a ranged specialist! And one needs more spells!
I down voted Thief every round after Mystic was gone.
Gradine
Final Form (she/they)
I downvoted Thief every day I was able
EzekielRaiden
Legend
I mean, I was constantly working to get rid of the Fighter, and it remained until the "final five." I even missed a few days, during which time it rose but didn't clearly outstrip every other option.
Which shows the equilibrium forces at work here. There's psychological power in being the tall poppy or the "undeserved" underdog. I was also upvoting Bard the whole time, and Bard repeatedly flirted with disaster, only to reach the final three--when Barbarian, my predicted "dark horse" candidate, got rapidly demolished once Fighter was gone. People predicted Bard's demise for almost the entirety of the thread, and it nearly won. I'd say that's good evidence that even with partisans like you and me, things often have a way of working out.
Further, don't forget that there are a few accounts that have never posted anywhere other than these survivor threads and which were created only around the time the first survivor threads came into being...which has some unfortunate implications much more concerning than "is our electorate too small?"
That said, the way to address your concerns is either to make a "race to the finish" style thread (where scores go up over time until stuff crosses the finish line), or to use a hybrid of "survivor" and "racetrack," e.g. a survivor qualifying round to limit the number of racers and then a racetrack final round to determine the ranking of the survivors.
Argyle King
Legend
Don't be ridiculous.
You're acting almost like there's some value in rugged and primal religions (or rougher/darker fantasy from the fringes of "civilization") having multiple ways to engage in the beliefs, styles, and ways of adventure -just like the Cleric, Paladin, and Rogue do.
CleverNickName
Limit Break Dancing
I wonder just how different the outcome would have been if I hadn't broken them out by class, and instead posted just one long list of subclasses. At the very least, it would have made it harder for folks to focus on eliminating particular Classes.
We're seeing a bit of this What If scenario playing out over in the Species survivor thread, with folks hoping to eliminate entire groups of elves, humans, etc.
We're seeing a bit of this What If scenario playing out over in the Species survivor thread, with folks hoping to eliminate entire groups of elves, humans, etc.
Xamnam
Loves Your Favorite Game
I'm still very curious how the ranked choice voting would go, even if we just left it at the final list of winning subclasses. Didn't want to steal thunder from your last survivor thread for the foreseeable future though.
CleverNickName
Limit Break Dancing
It'll be interesting to see how the next person handles these Survivor threads (if anyone does). My way is certainly not the only way to do it.
DND_Reborn
The High Aldwin
For anyone interested, here is a summary of the 60 voters and who they upvoted (green)/downvoted (red) and how many times.
I've also attached the Excel file (zipped) if anyone wants to look more at it.
I've also attached the Excel file (zipped) if anyone wants to look more at it.
DeviousQuail
Hero
@EzekielRaiden almost singlehandedly put Lore into the finals. That is fantastic.For anyone interested, here is a summary of the 60 voters and who they upvoted (green)/downvoted (red) and how many times.
I've also attached the Excel file (zipped) if anyone wants to look more at it.
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