D&D 5E 5th edition monks

[Undrave]

Best monk would be wood elf at 1st level.
With point buy you get

str: 12
dex: 16
con: 14
Int: 8
Wis: 16
cha: 8

HP:10
AC:16

and you get nice 1st level option for excellent ranged combat in longbow and if you use UA option for monk weapons, you can pick longsword for 1d10+3 damage plus flurry.

Sounds like a good build indeed!

Str and Dex 14 make a more realistic martial artist than one stat at 16 and the other at 8. - But people feel that the game would not reward them enough for those scores.

Basically the old 'Simulation VS Game' thing.

Honestly, at this point you could easily conflate Constitution and Strength together and not lose anything. CON is only used for HP, Concentration checks and some saves. Make HP more class/race dependant instead of getting a bonus from your ability and just move the other checks to STR and suddenly STR becomes more useful all around.


Another issue is the perception of what different scores can mean. Is 12 STR too weak to be a martial artists in your simulation? Is there a huge difference between a +1 and a +2 modifier in the simulation? How precise is the score when applied to real life?!

 

[Umbran]

Looks to be about a 34-22-34.

Mod Note:
Folks,

Reduction of women to their physical measurements is not really compatible with our inclusiveness policy. Please let us not continue this line of discussion. Thanks.

 

[Jd Smith1]

this looks more like 3-4% of total body mass as fat rather than strong muscles.
But, that is also nice as you are not slowed down by lugging around 15kg of blubber.

True, but she looks to have well-developed abs and biceps. Muscles built up from actual, viable use do not bulk as much as weight-liver muscles.

In law enforcement, we refer to this as 'manual muscles', in reference to fencers and roofers who tend to be skinny but strong as blazes.

 

[Horwath]

True, but she looks to have well-developed abs and biceps. Muscles built up from actual, viable use do not bulk as much as weight-liver muscles.

In law enforcement, we refer to this as 'manual muscles', in reference to fencers and roofers who tend to be skinny but strong as blazes.

You reference to manual muscles in muscles that have a lot of slow-twitch fibers.
Low power but high endurance, that is why a laborer can work 6-8hrs of physical demanding job.

But if you want explosive power generation you need muscles with fast-twitch fibers.
And they are built with weight Training.

Problem that you present with weight lifters is that they do not train their muscles in anything other than weight lifting.

For as they say "functiona strength" you need to hit the gym with heavy load, 4-5 sets with 4-5 reps each and then hit the puching bag for half an hour.

Power comes from bigger muscles, cross section of the muscle is directly proportional with power output. Yes, some people have "better" muscles so they can get more power out of the same cross section but not by a lot.

but, in the end you need technique to apply that force in a good way or it will be used against you.

 

[Jd Smith1]

You reference to manual muscles in muscles that have a lot of slow-twitch fibers.
Low power but high endurance, that is why a laborer can work 6-8hrs of physical demanding job.\

I've had to use force against countless roofers and fencers. It isn't low-power.

 

[Horwath]

I've had to use force against countless roofers and fencers. It isn't low-power.

I didn't say that they are feeble, just that it is low comparing to strength training with weights.

 

[Jd Smith1]

I didn't say that they are feeble, just that it is low comparing to strength training with weights.

Not IME. Gym types are the easiest to deal with, roid rage included. People who use their muscles every day in a wide variety of ways and frequently encountering superficial injuries while doing it are much tougher than some body beautiful gym enthusiast. Body builders are the cream puffs of the lot, because nine times out of ten they panic if they get hit in the face. Plus all that bulk means you can really put your weight into the stick and chop their legs out from under them. Skinny people are a bear because you have to be careful not to break bones.

As the old saying goes, it ain't the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog.

 

[Zardnaar]

Not IME. Gym types are the easiest to deal with, roid rage included. People who use their muscles every day in a wide variety of ways and frequently encountering superficial injuries while doing it are much tougher than some body beautiful gym enthusiast. Body builders are the cream puffs of the lot, because nine times out of ten they panic if they get hit in the face. Plus all that bulk means you can really put your weight into the stick and chop their legs out from under them. Skinny people are a bear because you have to be careful not to break bones.

As the old saying goes, it ain't the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog.

Kinda true. Had a no show at work last year and I had to load a container at work.

40 year old guy vs young gym bunny, guess who won?

The young guy who was overall fit beat both of us. The forklift driver could beat all 3 of us.

Builders, bricklayers, stevedores etc will usually beat a gym bunny type in my experience. People who do a lot of jogging as well.

 

[Jd Smith1]

Kinda true. Had a no show at work last year and I had to load a container at work.

40 year old guy vs young gym bunny, guess who won?

The young guy who was overall fit beat both of us. The forklift driver could beat all 3 of us.

Builders, bricklayers, stevedores etc will usually beat a gym bunny type in my experience. People who do a lot of jogging as well.

Very true.

 

[Horwath]

Not IME. Gym types are the easiest to deal with, roid rage included. People who use their muscles every day in a wide variety of ways and frequently encountering superficial injuries while doing it are much tougher than some body beautiful gym enthusiast. Body builders are the cream puffs of the lot, because nine times out of ten they panic if they get hit in the face. Plus all that bulk means you can really put your weight into the stick and chop their legs out from under them. Skinny people are a bear because you have to be careful not to break bones.

As the old saying goes, it ain't the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog.

I agree with the last one 100%

I'm just saying that you must compare people with equal technique and same will to fight, the guy with bigger muscles will win.

Yes, if you do nothing else but lift weights in your life, you are just going to make more noise when you fall over