D&D General 6E But A + Thread

[Ruin Explorer]

Yeah, I'm not sure where the wuxia stuff comes from and how a subclass like an Echo Knight or a Horizon Walker isn't doing Wuxia-style maneuvers. The only thing I can think of is they want those abilities out of the gate rather than Tier 2 or Tier 3 or whatever, but even in other genres, gaining power and unlocking more powerful abilities as one grows in power IS a thing, so I don't know.

From the post I think they specifically want stuff that is pretty classic like swinging a sword and like wave of sharp force comes out of it and chops stuff well beyond the sword's actual range (which I strongly suspect predates anime/manga by a fair distance but w/e), or even the more basic whirlwind attack where the warrior just hits everyone near them in some kind of sweeping or spinning attack or series of attacks.

The issue I'd say is, if you are an anime/manga fan as frankly, more Gen Z are than Millennials or Gen X were (and it was non-trivial proportions with those too!), you probably have watched a ton of fantasy and Isekai fantasy anime. And like, most of that is pretty compatible with D&D, because at the root of things, it largely evolved, via JRPGs and Sword World and so on, from D&D. It's more D&D-like than Western fantasy tends to be, even. But, there's a lot of stuff that characters do in that, particularly "martials" - i.e. characters who in D&D would be seen as Fighter, Barbarians, Rogues and Rangers, that's not possible in D&D outside of a few weirdly-themed subclasses.

Like Echo Knight is actually more out-there than most anime stuff. But D&D is like curiously averse to say, letting a Fighter do a whirlwind attack. They'll casually let any caster at all, just absolutely any caster drop AOEs like there's no tomorrow, but heaven forfend a Fighter do a whirlwind attack and hit everyone around him, or a ground slam which knocks down people in a cone in front of him, or a Rogue do a dash attack where they run past people without attracting Opportunity Attacks and do damage to them all. What's funny is videogames have even shown us that stuff like this is 100% compatible with a "gritty aesthetic" too!

 

[Aldarc]

I hope that 6e D&D doesn't design by committee.

 

[mamba]

PS - is there a way to see if I have anyone blocked?

in your account settings, check the ‘Ignoring’ settings (bottom right)

 

[Micah Sweet]

That is thing though. D&D would have to be significantly less popular, or less accommodating (looking at you 4e), for it to not persuade 3PP to follow it wherever it goes.

Yup. Something on the popularity level of 4e (liked by some, disliked by others) would be my ideal.

Again, imaginary wishes thread.

 

[mamba]

even in other genres, gaining power and unlocking more powerful abilities as one grows in power IS a thing

of course it is, this is about where the starting and end points are, not about there not being any growth

 

[Ruin Explorer]

didn’t want to quote the whole text. I don’t like quoting a hundred lines for a two line reply. I was referencing parts outside my quote in my reply, so I expected it to be clear that I am responding to the entire post, not just the quoted part.

Ok, but your response was vague enough that that didn't happen because you quoted only part of the text, and not the part you were referring to!

 

[Remathilis]

No, I am expecting that they tell DMs that they can do that.

At best they will give some lip service to DMs discussing with their players what options are available during session zero. Kinda like they are now.

Rhetorical question: does any major 3pp company make books that specifically exclude options from their other books? Like a Pathfinder book that says "if you use this part of the setting, you cannot use gunslingers or ninjas"? I can't think of a single example of an RPG (outside of something generic like GURPS) that gives examples of highly curated campaigns that don't use all the options in their own core books, let alone splats.

 

[mamba]

I don't agree that backwards compatibility was a good premise, then or now.

that is fine, but it was clearly a goal for the new version and you cannot blame the designers for meeting the requirements

 

[Reynard]

At best they will give some lip service to DMs discussing with their players what options are available during session zero. Kinda like they are now.

Rhetorical question: does any major 3pp company make books that specifically exclude options from their other books? Like a Pathfinder book that says "if you use this part of the setting, you cannot use gunslingers or ninjas"? I can't think of a single example of an RPG (outside of something generic like GURPS) that gives examples of highly curated campaigns that don't use all the options in their own core books, let alone splats.

But D&D specifically did this for decades. If anything, this would be a return to form.

 

[TiQuinn]

of course it is, it is about where the starting and end points are, not about there not being any growth

Which, IMO, is an even more difficult thing to nail down for everyone. One can always simply start their game at Level 3 or 5 or 11 if they wanted.