A bored DM is a dangerous DM...
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The Thayan Menace
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I'm just killing time until Luthien Greyspear puts up his NPC's wicked statistics for our viewing pleasure.Turanil said:
No, actually, that's part of it, because some DMs, when they are bored, will start to wonder about the rules, and whether they need the or if they work as they want them to work, or, if the next campaign will need to have something modified to suit its "flavor." I know every game I play has something different about it. Obviously the original poster engaged in the same activity, because he wanted to see how far the system would go... that's pretty much a test of the rules-heaviness, checking to see if it could support such a creation.
I'm not even arguing for rules-lite. I don't care how someone else plays. Or, what they play.
I'm just explaining, in a tangental way, why I'd go so far out of my way to do something insane like creating a 14,000th level character. At that point, rules are useless (well, maybe bot completely, but they are for me.)
Can't we have fun?
I'm not even arguing for rules-lite. I don't care how someone else plays. Or, what they play.
I'm just explaining, in a tangental way, why I'd go so far out of my way to do something insane like creating a 14,000th level character. At that point, rules are useless (well, maybe bot completely, but they are for me.)
Can't we have fun?
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The Thayan Menace
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Probably not, but thanks for the cliche.Turanil said:
The Thayan Menace
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Well Played Sir ... Well Played
Our group would probably use your rulebooks for firewood, but then again, we're uncouth.
If your players are loyal, more power to you.serleran said:
Our group would probably use your rulebooks for firewood, but then again, we're uncouth.
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serleran said:
I thought we were ....
Luthien Greyspear
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The Thayan Menace said:I'm just killing time until Luthien Greyspear puts up his NPC's wicked statistics for our viewing pleasure.
To be honest, this thread has nothing to do with one particular NPC's ridiculously high level, but since you asked...
I added it as an attachment since it's so freaking long. Yes, I entered in all of her abilities, and no, I don't have any idea how much GP or equipment she has. Lets just assume she owns all of Silverymoon and Waterdeep, but is a really lazy absentee-landlord.
Before anyone starts carping about things like domains, patron deities, and the like, please don't. The character is an exercise in rule-stretching, not a playable PC or NPC. Just assume the character worships a pseudo-draconian version of 'Good', and leave it at that.
Fieari
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I'm both curious and not-curious to see how that character would fare against a fallen version of the Cherubim in the Immortal's Handbook (CR157, ECL235) since supposedly, the one level of everything character would be slightly more powerful. Or the Seraphim (CR209, ECL313). Or better yet, an Orichalcum Gargant... (CR365, no ECL listed)
Not curious, because figuring out everything that your character can actually do in a round would be insane. Picking the best tactical thing to do would be incredibly difficult. Running the monster side is so much easier... round by round tactics are printed right there.
Not curious, because figuring out everything that your character can actually do in a round would be insane. Picking the best tactical thing to do would be incredibly difficult. Running the monster side is so much easier... round by round tactics are printed right there.
The Thayan Menace
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Just Like a Train-Wreck: Grotesque, but Fascinating ....
Interesting NPC Luthien ... completely broken, but intriguing nonetheless ....
Interesting NPC Luthien ... completely broken, but intriguing nonetheless ....
Luthien Greyspear
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Thus, the nature of its appeal
Which was pretty much the nature of the exercise in creation to begin with. I would never actually have such an NPC in any campaign, nor would I play a character so overpowered. Although I WOULD play a character who took only one level in each class, so long as I got good synergy with those classes and could PrC to continue in the same vein. Maybe as a result of a bizarre curse or geas, such that he could not commit to any one path, but was constantly forced to 'start over' every level.
A character like that would have to be combat based, because it's next to impossible to make a viable character with four or five different spell lists that don't go past 1st level spells. But a Barbarian/Fighter/Ranger/Rogue/Swashbuckler/Scout/Hexblade could be very viable. Right there you'd qualify for several prestige classes (+5 BAB), have a nice little list of minor abilities and bonus feats, and the ability to skirmish and sneak attack...while raging. Plus you could still be any race you wanted, and not worry about XP penalties.
This is why I started this thread. Taking rules to the extreme (as with the Ultimate Dilettante) basically gives you a big block of marble. From that you can carve away everything that doesn't look like a good character (or monster, or whatever) and see what comes out.
The Thayan Menace said:Interesting NPC Luthien ... completely broken, but intriguing nonetheless ....
Which was pretty much the nature of the exercise in creation to begin with. I would never actually have such an NPC in any campaign, nor would I play a character so overpowered. Although I WOULD play a character who took only one level in each class, so long as I got good synergy with those classes and could PrC to continue in the same vein. Maybe as a result of a bizarre curse or geas, such that he could not commit to any one path, but was constantly forced to 'start over' every level.
A character like that would have to be combat based, because it's next to impossible to make a viable character with four or five different spell lists that don't go past 1st level spells. But a Barbarian/Fighter/Ranger/Rogue/Swashbuckler/Scout/Hexblade could be very viable. Right there you'd qualify for several prestige classes (+5 BAB), have a nice little list of minor abilities and bonus feats, and the ability to skirmish and sneak attack...while raging. Plus you could still be any race you wanted, and not worry about XP penalties.
This is why I started this thread. Taking rules to the extreme (as with the Ultimate Dilettante) basically gives you a big block of marble. From that you can carve away everything that doesn't look like a good character (or monster, or whatever) and see what comes out.
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