[A little but not a lot OT] Marvel vs DC

[stevelabny]

billy most of what u say makes sense even if i dont agree with some of it ( i HATED heroes reborn. i won't read ultimates to see if its good. i think early marvel stuff has hokey charm)

all i will say is: i dont know if Free Comic Book Day was available in Canada or not, living in NYC, even other states are foreign countries to me.

and as for fixing the ridiculous spidey story that was done to change major parts of spidey continuity to fit (then)current editorial thinking. yes i am against it. any unexplained ret-con is bad. any story that is so ridiculous that it can only be explained with giant run-on sentences and has people laughing for all the wrong reasons is NOT a good idea either.

the only way to fix it is too once again, slowly move the story forward at a normal pace... and acknowledging any effect this goofy story had. just trying to erase it is not the way to go.

if every writer disallowed any stories they didnt like from the past, thered be nothing left.

 

[Teflon Billy]

...and as for fixing the ridiculous spidey story that was done to change major parts of spidey continuity to fit (then)current editorial thinking. yes i am against it. any unexplained ret-con is bad. any story that is so ridiculous that it can only be explained with giant run-on sentences and has people laughing for all the wrong reasons is NOT a good idea either

Actually, that's a pretty good point. I wasn't really defending Spiderman thjough. It's not a title I read.

the only way to fix it is too once again, slowly move the story forward at a normal pace... and acknowledging any effect this goofy story had. just trying to erase it is not the way to go.

if every writer disallowed any stories they didnt like from the past, thered be nothing left.

Hmmm...that's also a good point.

 

[Desdichado]

stevelabny, I hate to say it, but it really doesn't sound like you're giving the Ultimate universe a fair shake. Your grievances have little to do with the books themselves, as near as I can tell.

In which case, your opinion lacks the power to really convince anyone of anything, I think.

As to Ultimate Spider-man grammer; Ultimate Spider-man was written with fairly modern, conversational dialogue. I don't know exactly why you'd now complain that that isn't proper grammar...

 

[DanMcS]

ok...you asked for it:

WHY STEVE WON'T READ ANY ULTIMATE MARVEL:
(the short version)

All I know about comic books I've learned in the last month from my RPG group as we were learning Mutants and Masterminds (hella cool game). And from XMen, Spider-man, and the old Superman movies of course The only comic book I've ever read is the paperback compilation of the first series of The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. I knew that there were two big companies, DC and Marvel, but until last night, when I went to the store and poked around a while, I couldn't have placed a character with the correct company except by dumb luck.

But I know a good rant when I see one, and that was a good rant.

 

[GiantInThePlayground]

All I can say is that I never owned or read a single issue of any Spider-Man book until Ultimate Spider-Man, and I only tried that because Brian Michael Bendis (Powers, Alias) is a comic writing god. But I like it and I don't have to worry about buying all these old trade paperbacks and compilations and wading through thousands of pages of B&W "Essential Spider-Man" reprints to find out the history. So the Ultimate idea worked enough to get me to read a character that I had never read before, which I think was its point. BTW, I never read Avengers either, but I get Ultimates every month (well, every month that it comes out ). Primarily because I hate coming in halfway through a story, and with books that stretch back to the 60's, I will ALWAYS be halfway in the middle of one story or another.

As a comic fan who didn't start reading until I was in my 20's, I don't have the attachment to the old stories others might. Hopefully you can see that while Ultimatizing might be not be the best solution for long-time fans, it is a good idea for attracting new ones. And if comic book companies don't attract new and younger fans, they will likely die off in the next generation or two.

 

[stevelabny]

thank you billy for your kind words
and dan knows how to flatter me

joshua youre 100% right. i am NOT giving the ultimate books a fair shake and its not because of the content inside the covers.
but your grammar comment? i can only assume you are referring to my run-on sentence comment which was about the awful story in regular universe spider-man and that the ONLY way to sum it up is with a run-on sentence.

as for giants comments.
can you explain how ultimate attracts you or other new readers any more than if the same stories were told in the regular marvel universe? cuz my point is, they coulda just hired bendis to write regular marvel universe spidey if they wanted to.

 

[Lord Zardoz]

Not sure how this relates to the thread...

But I used to be a fairly enthusiatic comic book collector in the 6th to 8th grade (Entirly marvel based though, I really like the idea of the Incredible Hulk). I really liked the stories. And as a side note, could not tell you who was drawing what at the time I collected. I never cared to know. I bought my comics so I could read them, not collect them.

At the time, I just could not afford to do both. At about that time, Marvel was coming out with their more elaborate foil covers for special issues and what not. I stopped collecting at about the same time as I began collecting Dragonlance Novels.

A few years later, I read an article that said that the comic book companies priced themselves out of their own market. Inflation and rising costs aside, I must say I agree with that. When I started collecting, I paid $1.25 an issue. When I quit, it was at about $2.25.

I wonder how many people quit reading comics for the same reasons?

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