A medieval joke hidden in the DMG :D

Ancalagon

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So the adventure I'm running is an old 2nd ed one that gives startlingly powerful item like candy. So I go "nope" and re-roll them. So for one item that was particularly bad I reroll and get the Trident of Fish command.

I laugh a bit, wonder if to give it out (who's going to use it?) and figure the PCs can always barter it or something. PCs get it, a bit later long rest, player asks to identify it with a ritual. I say sure. They ask me for stats, so I look it up.

As I remembered, no bonus to hit or damage, but it does allow you to dominate fish. Woopty doo right? Except a "fish" is defined as something with a natural swim speed. Suddenly the trident doesn't seem *that* shabby, esp considering that squid men are recurring foes in this campaign! The players are happy so I just go with it.

But then I thought about it, and realized that this is actually a very clever joke about the middle ages. Back then, you couldn't eat meat on Fridays if you followed the catholic faith, but fish was allowed. But what exactly is a fish? Given the important religious rule around eating fish, this was not a trivial question, it mattered. The Church's rulings on the issue were sometimes... off. For example, beaver was a fish!

So face with this same dilemma (what is exactly a fish in a world with things like mermen?), the designers went with an overly broad definition, thus making a dubious item not that dubious, and - intentionally or by accident - making reference to old medieval beliefs on the issue. :)
 

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Pretty sure the question of are beavers fish didn't really come up in medieval catholic churches. But if it was accidental or not it does make the trident very useful.
 

Man, growing up in a Catholic family and with some very Catholic friends, I was never taught that it was acceptable to eat beaver during Lent. I really wish I knew this when I was younger.
 

The beaver classification thing is- or more accurately, was- because of a 17th century bishop in Quebec.
https://blogs.scientificamerican.co...tholic-church-decided-that-beavers-were-fish/

Capybaras got similar treatment in South America.

But however the decisions were justified, “meat” in the context of Lenten observance is defined as the flesh of any creature that is not warm blooded, and broths made from any creature’s flesh is permitted as well.
 

The beaver classification thing is- or more accurately, was- because of a 17th century bishop in Quebec.
https://blogs.scientificamerican.co...tholic-church-decided-that-beavers-were-fish/

Capybaras got similar treatment in South America.

But however the decisions were justified, “meat” in the context of Lenten observance is defined as the flesh of any creature that is not warm blooded, and broths made from any creature’s flesh is permitted as well.
 

Rasputina wrote a song about different creatures being designated as "fish:"

[video=youtube;AN0wsyDw9cE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AN0wsyDw9cE[/video]
 


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