A Question about Rage Vs Frenzy

[Dregan Varokin]

Ok, I seriously hope I am posting this in the right spot, but here it goes anyway.

Recently in a 3.5, Unearthed Arcana game that I am playing in the DM set me against a Dwarven Barbarian / Fighter / Frenzied Berserker. This Dwarf had 3 different Rages/Frenzies/Whatever that he flew into all at the same time, each ones set of bonus's Stacking with the previous. Now, I don’t have the books to look this up, but that just doesn’t seem like it should happen. Being that D&D hates to stack any bonus’s.

*Summation: By Core Rules are these bonus's allowed to stack? Barring the DM said it could Rule.

Next this 4th level Class benefit called "Deathless Frenzy". Can this power be for real? I mean at 4th Level you become the Energizer Bunny and Keep Going and Going and Going and Going and Going no matter what!

I mean hell, I beat the ever lovin crap out of this guy! Like -200 Life & I still had half of mine. I mean this is powerful, but I would say Godlike.

Hell, find a way to become immune to Disintegrate and convince you DM to play by Vitality / Wounds System (Which Removes the threat of Death by Massive Damage) and you can take on Gods. You won’t live but theoretically you could kill them.

Is it just me or should there be a ceiling on how many negative hp you can’t take. I mean eventually there would literally be nothing left of the body, or it would be SOO Badly Damaged that it could no longer function appropriately. ya know the absence of muscles and tendons prevents movement and all.

I mean I had him at -200hp and he was still gonna go for 13 more rounds. Then you take into effect that(in my situation)with 3 stacked Rages he had like a +12 to str on top of his normal score, so your grapple Pin and hold them down move doesn’t really work.

I mean I just ended up using improved Trip & Hold the Line to knock him down with and attack of opportunity, then attack for Damage, then move away. Just to have him get up and charge, just so I could do it all over again. However, with a few strategically placed feats my tactic wouldn’t work anymore.

*Summation: Am I totally crazy or is this power way too much?

Thanks for listening to my Rant, and any feed back.
Dregan Varokin

 

[hong]

Yes, you can rage and frenzy at the same time. Very icky, but that's kinda the point of the class.

Yes, deathless frenzy is b0rken.

 

[UltimaGabe]

True, an ability like Deathless Frenzy may seem broken when used by an NPC on his own, but that's the only instance it would be useful. Something like Deathless frenzy would mean disaster for the same NPC if he was in a party- because after he downed the last enemy, his friends would have to contend with him as well. It's not broken at all.

 

[hong]

True, an ability like Deathless Frenzy may seem broken when used by an NPC on his own, but that's the only instance it would be useful. Something like Deathless frenzy would mean disaster for the same NPC if he was in a party- because after he downed the last enemy, his friends would have to contend with him as well. It's not broken at all.

The fact that after he starts killing the bad guys he starts killing the good guys indicates that the ability is even more annoying, not less.

 

[Silveras]

One small clarification:
You mentioned this is a game using Unearthed Arcana. First, presuming you don't mean Arcana Unearthed, a question:
Was the "Whirling Frenzy" rage variant one of the three in use ?

If so, there *is* an error, as that variant cannot be combined with other forms of rage.

A character can't use Whirling Frenzy at the same time as he uses any other form of Rage (or similar ability).

 

[Dregan Varokin]

As far as I am aware, the three rages were The Barbarian Rage, The Destructive Rage, & the Intimidating Rage. but I am not 100% sure on that.

Dregan Varokin

 

[nimisgod]

Destructive Rage and Intimidating Rage are feats that modify the normal rage. Both are prereqs to the Frenzied Berserker.

I'm guessing that the three rages were Barbarian Rage, Frenzy and perhaps the Berserk Rage (from Deities and Demigods).

 

[Mista Collins]

if you know for a fact that your character is beating this NPC and he is bleeding and battered beyond what anyone could take.. your best bet is to run and hope he goes for one of the other PC's. Just keep something inbetween you and him, and you will be content.

I like the Frenzied Berserker Deathless Frenzy ability. It is fun to watch a PC go into it and reach the -100 point and have no way of bringing him back up above it. And it is even better getting the bad guy there and immobilizing him so that you just watch him die. Granted, I have never played or used the class, but I enjoy it when others do.

 

[Geoff Watson]

Deathless Frenzy is really stupid.

One way to deal with it, is to have the cleric cast Calm Emotions on him, ending the rage/frenzy. The PCs used this against a giant barbarian/frenzied berserker IMC and killed him with it; this was a while ago.

Geoff.

 

[Dregan Varokin]

Thank you all for the help. I'm just reinforced that the "power" is BrOken.
Dregan Varokin