a question on creatures

[Scott DeWar]

Though by not changing Str, you also don't change carrying capacity -- so the heavy war horse can't haul a knight in full plate around any better than a regular horse can.

hmmm good point. Mr. Jacobs, a comment on that please? After all, a knight in full plate armor is what these creatures were bred to do. Not to mention that a heavy horse with out combat training was ment to pull a plow or haul a carrage gilded with gold and with the royal personage with in, or some other task of that nature. Perhaps a foot note on heavy horses that with all other effects of the rebuild, tet one that is not to apply is the Int.

I can see the wisdom and chrisma increasing as these horses may be more willful and wiley. they would be prone to useing fences to de-rider themselves when being combat trained or runnign at fulltilt in a forest running under brances that are barely higher off the ground then they are tall. Cunning is the word for that I think. Maybe able to know that a trap is ahead, but not how to converse with 'rider' to warn him of it.

 

[coyote6]

The easiest solution is to use the quick rules, and either basing the carrying capacity on a normal horse's Str+4, or simply doubling a normal horse's carrying capacity. If I remember the carrying capacity charts right, that'd be about right -- it'd be a little high, but not too much, IMO.

 

[Scott DeWar]

Anew question on the smae creature. This is a simple on, and probablya no brainer.

I noticed that the difference between a light horse and an heavy horse hp wise is only the difference between the con scores. Is that correct?

I see the increase in CR of =1, but I would have thought the hd to increase by 1 as well.

once again, thank you in advance.
Scott DeWar

 

[Will]

I'm not sure what you're asking, but a heavy horse is basically just a regular horse plus the 'advanced' template, which increases its CR and Con score but not its HD.

Its how templates generally work.

 

[pawsplay]

Honestly, I feel the warhorse justified another entry in the MM.

 

[Will]

I'm also iffy on giving an animal Int 6. I know that's what the template does, but IMO an animal just doesn't have Int above 2.

 

[pawsplay]

I'm also iffy on giving an animal Int 6. I know that's what the template does, but IMO an animal just doesn't have Int above 2.

Note: nothing in any Pathfinder product I am aware of will tell you to do something that gives a warhorse an Int of 6 natively.

 

[Scott DeWar]

Well, for the record, the Int being capped at 2 for being an animal is going to be my final determination on that question, I was now wondering why it is of the same hd as a light horse. i would have figured it to have a hd more.

However I so see that the str is greater which woould give a higher attack, even with the same bab.I guess I still have a lot of 1st and second ed in me thaat saw a different hd between light and heavy horse. (2 + 2 vs. 3 + 3, IIRC).

Thank you to every one for you time.

 

[hopeless]

Have you read the Elenium by david Eddings?
Take a look and note that Sparhawk's steed is a very prime example of the kind of mount with that kind of intelligence...
Personally I'd give it 2 levels of warrior and ignore the template and rebuild rules after all a war horse would be using barding and a paladin's mount doesn't necessarily have to be a war horse, well okay the paladin's player may not realise it isn't a war horse if you want to throw in a sub plot where that mount is potentially as smart if not more intelligent than the paladin its trying to guide...

 

[Scott DeWar]

Sorry I missed you post. i have heard of David Eddings, but not the book mention, I don't think.