A simple fix to balance fighters vs. casters ?

[CrazyNinjabeast]

sorry for the grammar mistakes it's 2:20 AM here, and I am to tired to proof read

 

[Dandu]

So let us take as given that fighters are less versatile than spellcasters. Are they at least better at fighting? Clerics and Druids are better at melee combat than a Fighter is - this is pretty much given on the Charop forums and has been shown through many, many builds.

What about arcane spellcasters? I'd wager that my sorcerer could overcome any challenge your fighter could, and more besides since he has greater peak and breadth of power. Throw out some example challenges and monsters and we can continue the thought experiment.

(btw have you played a melee combatant before?)

Through the travail of ages, midst the pomp and toils of war, have I fought and strove and perished countless times amidst the stars.

 

[CrazyNinjabeast]

first off cleric and druid get 3/4 BAB, and if they should so choose to pressure melee combat, they loose spell casting abilities (mostly through feats)

And, we'll keep it simple a red dragon, very old, cr 21 (your 22 right?)

 

[Dandu]

first off cleric and druid get 3/4 BAB, and if they should so choose to pressure melee combat, they loose spell casting abilities (mostly through feats)

Clerics get Divine Power, Druids get Wildshape and Shapechange.

Neither loses spellcasting should they choose to start beating people up. Alright, Druids have to take a feat (Natural Spell) but the point still stands.

But wait a moment and think about something; are you saying that the entirety of the Character Optimization forums does not know what they are doing when they talk about the melee capabilities of the fighter class when it comes to CoDzilla?

And, we'll keep it simple a red dragon, very old, cr 21 (your 22 right?)

Age wise? Yeah. Build wise? Level 20.

First, tell me how your fighter overcomes the red dragon.

 

[Dandu]

The dragon casts as a 13th level sorcerer. Let's give it some spells. How fortunate that I have a level 13 sorcerer already built.

 

[CrazyNinjabeast]

very well, I will play that part of the mentioned knight (cavalier), But I will instead weild a +5 Blessed Impaling mercurial longsword 1D8 (19-20x4) (huge sized for me) so 3D6. I would also activate Power critical (declare 1 crit. threat per day, fighter bonus feat) and impaling, I hit the touch AC of the dragon naturally (str mod is 6), it's only a 6
Blessed auto confirms threat, and at full power attack +40 (two handed)

So...
40+5 enh +6 str+3(cavalier bonus charge damage)+2 charge +3D6=56 +3D6 x7+1(great crit) so x8 equals... 448 +9D6

 

[CrazyNinjabeast]

so 477 dmg, it had 449 hit points, soooooo it dead

 

[Dandu]

How are you getting the drop on it? In its den or out in the open? How are you avoiding an attack of opportunity from moving through threatened squares? What about the fact that a level 13 sorcerer has access to Contingency which can protect the dragon?

 

[CrazyNinjabeast]

they have no init bonus, and they are usually not hard to find considering their size, but for circumstantial sake, we were informed of it's location by our guild leader or whoever your boss is, it was an extermination mission, we needed its moneis!

 

[CrazyNinjabeast]

and as for the druids and clerics, I was referring to the fact that if the wanted to become combat orientated, they would not have any room for meta magic feats