A simplified D&D? Aren't you all forgetting something...

[Mystery Man]

I wish I hadn't thrown my 2E PHB away.

It was before I knew my local FLGS bought used DnD books. I could have sold it.

On a happier note, I'm moving at the end of the month (bought a new house) and as I was going thru some old boxes in storage I found my old 1981 basic box set! I new I hadn't thrown it out! Now that was a fun set to play.

 

[diaglo]

Those of us who are yearning for a game more like the previous editions of (A)D&D are perfectly free to pull out the old books and use them.

goto the Gamers seeking Gamers forum on this and many other sites and look for my ads.

for those of us playing the other editions there is only the matter of having patience.

 

[Belen]

goto the Gamers seeking Gamers forum on this and many other sites and look for my ads.

for those of us playing the other editions there is only the matter of having patience.

Diaglo rules the Elder Days of D&D past.

 

[Faraer]

Throughout the history of D&D people have argued that class X is too weak, or class Y is too strong. But it's always different classes, despite some people's insistence that 'everyone knows...'.

 

[Thornir Alekeg]

I've never understood the 2e hate. I played basic, ADD 1e, ADD 2e, and now 3e. They were all fun, they all supported the same kind of play, and each version provided cool new options to keep it fresh. After a few games I knew all the rules pertinent to my character and I stopped noticing them. It's not like they were hard to understand, either. The balance thing was entirely moot: with a good DM each character got a chance to shine in his specialty. As for level limits, saying very race can be just as good at everything as every other race is just as arbitrary as saying they can't. Limiting paladins to humans made sense if you were taking your gaming concepts from fantasy literature. I guess what I'm trying to say is that all the problems people talk about didn't matter to me. I just wanted to play the game.

This just about says it all for me. I found things about every edition I did not like, but I found that I enjoyed playing every edition. I cannot say that I think one is truly superior to another.

 

[nicodaudel]

Every edition has its problems, crunchy bits that require house-ruling or other forms of retooling. If you prefer the *overall* experience of playing 2e, then have at it. Fun is the name of the game, after all, and whatever difficulties there are, you should play what you find most enjoyable.

I would note, too, that every problem with 2e that someone else has mentioned is only a problem for a certain segment of gamers. "Unbalanced" classes or "worthless" druids in one person's estimation may suit *you* just fine. Again, play 2e a bit more, see how you like it over time, and go from there.

-Dion

 

[skinnydwarf]

Back when I played 2e, my group never got around to using the Skills and Options thingy, so our game remained pretty simple as well.

It sounds like you just had the exact same experience that I remeber so fondly and am trying to recreate.

'So why not just stay with 2e?'

A valid question, but I actually like a great deal about 3e, especially the added character customization provided by feats and the whole freshness by a 'new' system. (It's still new to me and my group.)

It is certainly the case that 2e is simpler than 3e. Though I think 3e is a lot less clunky, even though it is more complicated. It is more streamlined.

That being said, sometimes you want simplicity. If you want simplicity you don't necessarily have to just go with 2e. There are plenty of other good RPGs out there that are simpler than 3e and not as clunky as 2e. West End Games d6 system was pretty cool, Earthdawn was a lot of fun. Heck, I really liked the Hercules RPG from West End, but I know it is not everyone's cup of tea. And that's just on the fantasy side of things. There are also great games like Skyrealms of Jorune 3e (awesome system, even more awesome world), the Star Wars RPG from West End (which was the first, I believe, to use West Ends d6 system), etc.

Yes, I have spent far too much money on games in my life.

 

[Atom Again]

There are plenty of other good RPGs out there that are simpler than 3e and not as clunky as 2e. West End Games d6 system was pretty cool, Earthdawn was a lot of fun. Heck, I really liked the Hercules RPG from West End, but I know it is not everyone's cup of tea. And that's just on the fantasy side of things. There are also great games like Skyrealms of Jorune 3e (awesome system, even more awesome world), the Star Wars RPG from West End (which was the first, I believe, to use West Ends d6 system), etc.

The only problem though is that no one really plays those games. The best game in the world means nothing if you can't find someone to join the experience. At least with AD&D 2e Johnnie has a chance of finding people to play.

 

[Frostmarrow]

When IS C&C due!?

 

[Particle_Man]

re: C&C shipping?

If you mean the nostalgia-tinged boxed set, it ships today, I heard, but you have to order that one special.

If you mean the hardcovers, I think that the player's handbook comes out in mid-october.

Note: I don't work for Troll Lord Games -- this is just what I glean off their comments on the relevant forums.