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A supposedly great thing that I'll never watch again- Great media that left you cold

Blue Orange

Explorer
Mmmm... well. I'm 44. Sometimes I find D&D (and the whole fantasy thing) silly. I definitely approve if somebody starts an editorial line with high profile stories and plot aimed to people without adolescence issues to cope with :)
let me say aimed at people accostumed to read high brow literature. My wet dream is WOTC hiring hi level writers and creatives to design out of the standard adventures in a product line called "D&D Experiments".

I've thought about that. I would wait about 10 years for the younger generation of writers reared on it to make its way through the pipeline, so to speak--Lev Grossman did a fairly highbrow trilogy that deals with the effects of the game within a modern-fantasy world--the wizards have played D&D and researched spells that copy Magic Missile and Fireball, among others. Being a DM involves storytelling for an audience, so it's not crazy there would be overlap with writers.

Personally I don't think 'highbrow fiction', with its focus on interiority, would work well as a D&D module--the guy's reflecting on his middle-aged angst, roll Wisdom save to see if he buys a new car/ breaks up with his wife? (Change gender/etc. of protagonists to your taste.) There are indie games that do these kind of personal conflicts, of course, but they don't sell all that well.
 

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Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
It's like saying it's bad, but there are other things that just make me shake my head. Too many to get into, and almost all of them spoilers...but...for example...

Babylon 5 is over 20 years old now. I think that's beyond the need for spoiler protection.

You have this guy (Mordon) that has Shadows escorting him all the time. There are at least three of them surrounding him at all times. So...then we see him go through crowded markets with people all around him...and you go...just how are those three large spiderlike Shadows avoiding everyone that easily???

They are spider-like. Didn't you think of the walls?

Marcus Cole is an extreme Mary Sue.

Yeah. Nobody likes Marcus in retrospect.

I know many Babylon 5 fans will say this is not so, but it seems obvious to me that Sinclair was originally supposed to be the star and fill the shoes that Sheridan does.

You tell us what fans of the show will say, but utter things that show ignorance of what is common understanding among fans. Heck, this is all on Wikipedia, and the show's creator has been quite open about it. We are all quite aware that Sheriden was not the original intent.

We also know Michael O'Hare, the actor portraying Sinclair, developed severe and debilitating mental health issues during filming of the first season, and had to excuse himself from the production. This was kept quiet out of respect for the actor until his death, but at the actor's request, it has been public knowledge for nearly a decade.

So... maybe cut them some slack for having to make that switch, and also, don't speak for the fans, hm?

After the actor left the show it was rewritten with Sheridan in mind, and then with War without end they backfilled and retroactively created a story to make sense with what they had already done.

It is my understanding that the essence of War Without End was actually the original plan. O'Hare left the show with an agreement that if he could manage it he could come back and close that loop.

Too much religion or religious reference in my Sci Fi. I know many like it that way, but it was so heavy handed at times that it made me cringe.

So, interesting point here - the author is an avowed atheist. He finds exploration of spiritual and belief systems interesting, however.
 


Blue

Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal
There's a few things I've actively been avoiding watching for no real reason.

The movie Titanic. Never seen it, don't want to, doesn't really interest me.
I have an amusing (to me) story about Titanic. It was out in the theaters. Me and a friend refused to see it. It got all sorts of rave reviews. Nope, we still wouldn't see it. Everybody talking about it. Nope. It kept going on. Nope. Finally, it had been in the theaters for something like six months. That was fricking unheard of - nothing lasted that long. Especially an overlong (by cultural expectations) movie that everyone knows the end. "Titanic sinks." So finally, after resisting so long, we went to see it.

No, there's no punch line. Just aggressive resistance that finally got worn away by it defying all norms by staying in the theaters so, soooo long. I enjoyed it, teared up at the appropriate parts. It wasn't amazing; I've never watched it again.

Anime also seem some don't get it doesn't interest me.
Anime is a medium. Black and white films (or photgraphs) don't generally interest me, same concept.
 

Ath-kethin

Elder Thing
Napoleon Dynamite and The Big Bang Theory both seemed to be made by and for the kinds of people who harassed and beat up on me and my friends in middle school.

No thank you.
 

TheSword

Legend
Napoleon Dynamite and The Big Bang Theory both seemed to be made by and for the kinds of people who harassed and beat up on me and my friends in middle school.

No thank you.
I thought Napoleon dynamite and Big Bang theory was about making geeks be fun and win the day?
 
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Ath-kethin

Elder Thing
I though Napoleon dynamite and Big Bang theory was about making geeks be fun and win the day?
To non-geeks, they probably seem that way.

And I of course can't speak for all geeks; those programs have many fans and I'm not here to devil or shame anyone. But I found them both to be full of the same BS stereotyping my friends and I had dealt with for decades.
 

Alzrius

The EN World kitten
I can't bring myself to watch HBO's Game of Thrones. I sat through the very first episode, and that was enough to confirm that I just couldn't get into it. Having read the books, all I can see is what the TV show doesn't portray, and it just comes across as a pale imitation.
 

Ryujin

Hero
Napoleon Dynamite and The Big Bang Theory both seemed to be made by and for the kinds of people who harassed and beat up on me and my friends in middle school.

No thank you.
Definitely felt the same way about BBT. It always felt like it was laughing at geeks and nerds, not with us. Napoleon Dynamite didn't make me feel quite that way, for some reason. Maybe because it was presented more with just a "here's life" vibe, than stopping every 10 seconds for a laugh track?
 





Ath-kethin

Elder Thing
Definitely felt the same way about BBT. It always felt like it was laughing at geeks and nerds, not with us. Napoleon Dynamite didn't make me feel quite that way, for some reason. Maybe because it was presented more with just a "here's life" vibe, than stopping every 10 seconds for a laugh track?
Fair enough. I suppose it's also accurate to say I just didn't find anything to enjoy in Napoleon Dynamite.
 

cmad1977

Hero
Very late response here (as in...5 months later or more).

I can't judge it, as I've never been able to get through it.

I've started the first season at least 3 or 4 times and always get sooooo bored by the middle of it I just never get any further.

Another one people have constantly said was the most awesome series was Babylon 5. I cannot see what everyone sees about it. It's just cringeworthy. It just wants me want to cringe when watching it. I buckled down and watched it and kept waiting for it to "get good."

The first season was just an introduction and it would get good with season 2 they said. I watched season 2...it didn't get any better. They said it was going to blast my socks off with season 3...I think I cringed even more with season 3 than with season 2. Season 4 had everything paid off and all that you waited for finally came about. I was still waiting.

I just don't get the craze that people have for Babylon 5. Some episodes are watcheable...but there's a lot of cringe worthy stuff in there, or at least things that make me cringe watching them.

B5 was a thing that was great and ground-breaking in terms of storytelling.....
When it was made. Jeez.... I can’t imagine how bad it is now.
 

cmad1977

Hero
It's like saying it's bad, but there are other things that just make me shake my head. Too many to get into, and almost all of them spoilers...but...for example...

You have this guy (Mordon) that has Shadows escorting him all the time. There are at least three of them surrounding him at all times. So...then we see him go through crowded markets with people all around him...and you go...just how are those three large spiderlike Shadows avoiding everyone that easily???

There are multiple jokes regarding Mimbari and Centauri anatomy that are simply tossed in as jokes...and not very good jokes at that. Jokes that just make you embarrassed you are hearing them

Massive overacting on the parts of characters at times. Over the top acting. Franklin and Garibaldi were okay, but Delenn, Lyta, G'Kar and even Londo sometimes went far overboard where you were left wondering how far they were going to go in their acting

Marcus Cole is an extreme Mary Sue. A prime example...War without end has him and Ivanova discovered...except he just happens to decide to hide at that exact moment so they don't see him and he can ambush the guards. His reasoning is that it would be the worst thing that could happen at that moment so he just felt it would...so he hid. It's absolutely ludicrous how far they go with him...for me at least...others probably love him to death.

The jokes...did I mention the jokes. The Humor just did not do it for me. That's probably what I mean most when I say cringe worthy. I couldn't stand the humor. Most of the jokes really were bad...to me. Others' probably liked them.

I know many Babylon 5 fans will say this is not so, but it seems obvious to me that Sinclair was originally supposed to be the star and fill the shoes that Sheridan does. After the actor left the show it was rewritten with Sheridan in mind, and then with War without end they backfilled and retroactively created a story to make sense with what they had already done. The did a good job of melding it (and those two episodes are probably two of the better episodes, but they need to lay off the humor of Zathras) and making it all seem seamless, but even the initials they use...J.S., makes it the least inventive character replacement...or obvious that they originally wanted J.S. (you can pick which one) as the star.

Too much religion or religious reference in my Sci Fi. I know many like it that way, but it was so heavy handed at times that it made me cringe.

There's a lot more, but that's a small set of things that I could bring to mind.

Edit: Actually, now that I think about it, and this may include BSG as well, something occurred to me that hasn't occurred to me before.

It may be more me than anything else. Though there are times I don't mind the religious overtones in a movie or show (the original Star Wars Trilogy comes to mind which has some Zen and Buddhist ideas) a lot of the shows that I don't really enjoy as many times do have religious overtones in them. Perhaps that's the biggest thing now that I think about it. That could apply to many other shows and movies beyond B5 of BSG now that I'm actually looking at those shows and one of the items that I'm not really into within them.

Re: Sinclair.
The actor had psychotic break in S1 and JMS made sure to get him help AND keep it secret. Ultimately it wasn’t enough and the retiree and passed away years later. Apparently JMS swore to the guy that he would never tell anyone but the actor told him to reveal the story after he died.


But a lot of B5 just does NOT age well.
 


GreyLord

Hero
Definitely felt the same way about BBT. It always felt like it was laughing at geeks and nerds, not with us. Napoleon Dynamite didn't make me feel quite that way, for some reason. Maybe because it was presented more with just a "here's life" vibe, than stopping every 10 seconds for a laugh track?

What may be different with Napoleon Dynamite is it is a semi-biographical movie based upon the life of the writer and director of the movie and his experiences in Idaho.

Talking to some individuals from rural Idaho I've actually had the comments that the movie is actually very accurate in some of it's depictions of what life is like in Southeast Idaho. It lacks some of the items and is not quote so over the top, but there is a strong resemblance between how some things happen in the film and life there. I was rather surprised by their statements in that degree. They seemed to think it was more a comedy about life in their state than anything else and loved the movie because of it (those that I talked to, this is anecdotal because obviously this is not everyone from Idaho or even a large number of them from there).

(PS: For at least a few of them, they felt it was more a story about Mormon Culture and felt that the main character absolutely represented Mormon's life and culture there more than how we may feel Napoleon represents geeks and nerds, which was also an interesting thing a few of them talked about regarding that movie).
 

(PS: For at least a few of them, they felt it was more a story about Mormon Culture and felt that the main character absolutely represented Mormon's life and culture there more than how we may feel Napoleon represents geeks and nerds, which was also an interesting thing a few of them talked about regarding that movie).
As a member of The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter-Day Saints, i can yeah, i got strong vibes with that. Same with the small town being stuck a few decades behind everywhere else.
 

Ryujin

Hero
What may be different with Napoleon Dynamite is it is a semi-biographical movie based upon the life of the writer and director of the movie and his experiences in Idaho.

Talking to some individuals from rural Idaho I've actually had the comments that the movie is actually very accurate in some of it's depictions of what life is like in Southeast Idaho. It lacks some of the items and is not quote so over the top, but there is a strong resemblance between how some things happen in the film and life there. I was rather surprised by their statements in that degree. They seemed to think it was more a comedy about life in their state than anything else and loved the movie because of it (those that I talked to, this is anecdotal because obviously this is not everyone from Idaho or even a large number of them from there).

(PS: For at least a few of them, they felt it was more a story about Mormon Culture and felt that the main character absolutely represented Mormon's life and culture there more than how we may feel Napoleon represents geeks and nerds, which was also an interesting thing a few of them talked about regarding that movie).
So the ones you spoke to liked it for the same reasons I can't watch "Letterkenny." Interesting.
 

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