A Tournament of Cosmic Propotions! (Immortal's Handbook Rules)
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I like her style.
Got to say, though, Abracadrabrogate seems like a Transcendental, given that Abrogate is one of, if not the only balancing factor in high level play. Granted, higher than this usually, but still.
Depends on how you interpret Abrogate. I assumed it cancels itself (i.e., two people with Abrogate meeting each other fight as normal because one person's Abrogate negates the other), or at least does that unless the person has any Transcendentals, so an ability that works as Abrogate, but only if the other person also has Abrogate is strictly worse than Abrogate.
Well, now that I think about it, it's better in a two-on-one fight where both enemies have Abrogate (not that it'll come up here) Maybe if I reword it to negate one use of Abrogate on the user per round. I was going to give her Abrogate itself, but it didn't seem right with the flavour, since I don't think she'd regard a victory when her opponent wasn't at full strength as a real victory. Also it's an offensive ability that's not delivered by kicking someone in the face.
I don't think it's really overpowered on her, just potentially abusable in general.
Though... Abrogate is one seriously vague ability. It's entirely possible we interpret it completely different ways.
I've always ran it as: negate a single ability (either of your choosing, or, if their abilities aren't known, one chosen at random from their highest tier) of each opponent within your divine aura, can switch each round.
Granted, that's very powerful, *but* it works as a counter to a lot of really broken combos. In most cases it isn't capable of shutting down a fighting style completely, just blunting it. But, I admit, it *is* powerful, and might serve better as a Transcendental with a weaker version as the Cosmic.
I'd actually like to get a ruling from Neo for the tournament on how we're going to run that ability.
Though... Abrogate is one seriously vague ability. It's entirely possible we interpret it completely different ways.
I've always ran it as: negate a single ability (either of your choosing, or, if their abilities aren't known, one chosen at random from their highest tier) of each opponent within your divine aura, can switch each round.
Granted, that's very powerful, *but* it works as a counter to a lot of really broken combos. In most cases it isn't capable of shutting down a fighting style completely, just blunting it. But, I admit, it *is* powerful, and might serve better as a Transcendental with a weaker version as the Cosmic.
I'd actually like to get a ruling from Neo for the tournament on how we're going to run that ability.
Wish granted.
Abrogate
You can negate a foe's single greatest advantage.
Prerequisites: Enlarge Aura, Greater Aura
Benefit: You may negate a foe's single greatest ability up to a Cosmic ability, whether it be an epic feat, divine ability or cosmic ability. You may attempt to use this ability to negate a Transcendental ability, but the Sidereal (since immortals cannot possess trans. abilities via artifacts or esoteric abilities) in question is allowed a will save DC 10 + half your HD + div bonus + cha mod. You must choose from the highest class of abilities possessed by the character in question.
Special: You may take this ability multiple times. Each time you may negate one additional ability possessed by the same opponent, or one ability from a new opponent within the radius of your divine aura.
I gotta admit, I didn't much like the way Abrogate could drop an immortals highest ability score to 10. That was just too much cheese for me. Raunchy Smelly cheese. I also didn't like that fact that it had NO prerequisites, save for having a divine aura which even Chosen get.
As for Anathesia, I actually like her Character a lot. She has a rather interesting backstory. If she hates Vampires, she'll certainly hate Alabaster with a passion.
If she hates gods AND vampires, well the she'll certainly hate Trez Drakara with a passion. He is a Drow who turned Vampire. He single-handedly slew an entire ruling council, comprised of eight epic level matron mothers, of Lolth's high priestesses in one of her largest capital cities on the Material Plane. That was his Apotheosis as a Vampire-god of Darkness and Destruction. Ironically he ended up going on a crusade through the layers of the Abyss in a campaign I ran, wherein Malcanthet, Demogorgon & Orcus all met their doom. He meets Ryuushin Genji Ryo, and is easily defeated by him, and vows to take a second glance at his life, and ends up leaning his alignment towards good. Later on, Genji introduced Trez to Andrew Sendant who vows to help Trez redeem his evil ways and become a Paladin of Good.
Andrew's efforts are sucessful and Trez has a change of heart, choosing to use his thirst for blood to feast upon the blood of the cruel and corrupt, rather than the innocent and good.
Now Trez has the following Class levels. (Links on the classes provided for convenience.)
Monk, Danzig Variant (3.5e Class) - D&D Wiki
Threat (3.5e Class) - D&D Wiki
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Threat 30/warblade 20/monk(Danzig Variant) 20/Cosmic Healer 10/ Untouchable 11/Paladin of Honor 1/Greater Deity 80/Vampire 8 = ECL 180.
My friend and I are currently working on his PRC, the untouchable, but it's still a work in progress, so no stat-block available yet. I forsee the two being rivals in this tournament.
I gotta admit, a Lawful Good Drow-Vampire-god is a pretty rare thing indeed. He is also a Primal Vampire, just like Alabaster, Dicefreaks rules OFC. Should have a stat-block sometime next week at the latest. Sorry for the slow development of this thread, but I have to work for a living and my hours at work have been crazy. >.<
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As it says, then they get to CHOOSE from their highest tier.
Edit - Somehow I see two abrogates being able to negate each other, if used by two separate immortals vs. each other. I suppose in that case the immortal/sidereal who has taken abrogate the highest number of times wins? If they have taken it an equal number of times, then neither of them would be able to abrogate the other and combat would more or less just proceed without use of the ability at all.
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Sorry, I must have missed that. Been a long day.
Also, I'm considering doing a Phane Warlock. Any objections to that? If not, what would be the best way of turning its innate SLAs to invocations? (I'm asking in terms of how much ECL you think that would be worth).
Also also, random thought, but a Titanium Dragon would be a pretty cool entrant. They're all about proving their strength, yeah?
Also, I'm considering doing a Phane Warlock. Any objections to that? If not, what would be the best way of turning its innate SLAs to invocations? (I'm asking in terms of how much ECL you think that would be worth).
Also also, random thought, but a Titanium Dragon would be a pretty cool entrant. They're all about proving their strength, yeah?
I was actually gonna mention a dragon-type entrant. During the ECL 130 adventure I ran Andrew, Amastacia (His Wife, She's a silver dragon), Genji & Two other immortals whose names escape me at the moment accidentally released a void dragon as part of an epic trap spell. No one was ever able to banish it back to Byss.....
edit- although technically I suppose the void dragon would actually be yet another undead type. Already got Trez & Alabaster. Titanium Dragon might be cool. Would have to be paragon and advanced imo. Also... Artifacts, both magical and psionic in nature. You wanna stat him or should I Belz?
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I don't mind. I gotta keep my skills sharp somehow. Not sure what to name him or any backstory for this particular Titanium Dragon. may take some time for inspiration on that. If you come up with a decent backstory Belz, be my guest. You've always been the creative one between the two of us, especially where fluff is concerned.
I'm looking in the IH right now and the only way I can see this Dragon posing a threat to Alabaster is to simply be a mortal paragon. Being a god would only hinder him. Advance him 5 age categories beyond great wyrm to 136 HD and slap a LA 18 paragon template on him and he winds up ECL 216. He will probably heavily favor psionic items for fear of Al's Eldritch Curse.
