A Tournament of Cosmic Propotions! (Immortal's Handbook Rules)

[Buugipopuu]

I must say, I have no idea what a Dream Phane is (nor does Google, it seems) but it sure sounds cool.

That's because I can't spell. The monster I was thinking of was Dreamfane with an 'f'. Psionic Bestiary: Four New Psionic Monsters Most notable ability is Dream Phase.

Yeah, I suspect that that guy is more than ECL 208, mainly because there's very little way the Immortal Phane could be ECL 72. Outsider HD with one DvA per 5 HD, normal divine bonus and normal ability score advancement (+2 to all per 5HD) and full PC wealth get an ECL of double their HD. His divine bonus is 10 short of normal for his HD, but he has way more than the 14 DvAs you'd expect (I count at least 29, and that's pricing some of them generously), and he has about 26 more ability score points than you'd expect from an outsider of his HD. With full PC wealth (which he admittedly doesn't have, but the upgraded one does), he's ECL 155, or thereabouts. He doesn't look it as written because he lacks wealth (A no-wealth version would still be around ECL 100). Advancing one to 108 HD is bound to give it an ECL of at least 216, probably more given its superfluity of cosmics. Sticking Warlock 100 on top of that gets you to 316, and that's going to take a lot of wrangling to get down to something manageable.

tl;dr: You'd need to be very generous with pricing to get that guy down to below ECL 239

 

[Buugipopuu]

Phoenixes are magical beasts. And less boring than the Tarrasque.

actually according to the breeding chart in the book of erotic fantasy, dragons can produce live offspring with undead. Certain undead, such as vampires, and even liches if they preserve their bodies through use of magic (gentle repose + permanency) can produce offspring with the "unliving" subtype. These creatures have a constitution score and a metabolism of some sort. Half-Vampires usually fall into this category.

I'm sure that's fine when talking about vampires and suchlike, who are physical beings animated by negative energy, a Void Dragon is a sentient hole in reality. They're given the Undead type for convenience. Really there needs to be an Umbral type specifically for them, Umbral Blots and Unelementals.

link to it's stats by any chance?

Sorry, it's buried deep in a thread on this forum, and I don't has searching privileges.

The Danzig variant, in my setting at least, is basically considered to be a power class, similar to gestalting classes together (Unearthed Arcana for the rules on gestalts if you're not familiar, but I assume you are.), only not quite as powerful. I allow more or less any version of the monk, but essentially they just end up taking whatever levels make the most sense for the character. If it seems more logical that they would be a sublime monk, then they are a sublime monk. If they are a PHB, monk, they still get half their class levels to add to their Initiator Level, so it's not useless. Also monks can take martial study and epic martial study as bonus feats.

Well, if you admit that it's equivalent to a Gestalt and put an ECL premium on it to match (+2-4 LA is ballpark for 20th level gestalts), that's fine (and means I won't switch, since I don't need to push Anaesthesia's ECL up even more).

 

[Neoiceshroom]

Phoenixes are magical beasts. And less boring than the Tarrasque.

That sounds cool. You got any phoenix's between ECL 180-239? I don't. Who wants to volunteer to stat such a beast?

I'm sure that's fine when talking about vampires and suchlike, who are physical beings animated by negative energy, a Void Dragon is a sentient hole in reality. They're given the Undead type for convenience. Really there needs to be an Umbral type specifically for them, Umbral Blots and Unelementals.

Ubral would be a subtype, not a type. Besides any cross-breeding is possible with enough quintessence/power.

Sorry, it's buried deep in a thread on this forum, and I don't has searching privileges.

Well, if you admit that it's equivalent to a Gestalt and put an ECL premium on it to match (+2-4 LA is ballpark for 20th level gestalts), that's fine (and means I won't switch, since I don't need to push Anaesthesia's ECL up even more).

I said it was similar to a gestalt, but less powerful because it doesn't get to take the best of two whole classes and combine them like true gestalts do. Still a 1 to 1 ratio of levels on the danzig variant. Besides, Trez is already a Warblade and I beleive he's the only one who will be taking levels in the class anyway.

 

[Buugipopuu]

That sounds cool. You got any phoenix's between ECL 180-239? I don't. Who wants to volunteer to stat such a beast?

I have some ideas (that aren't just liberal application of Paragon and Greater Deity). We don't have a (Dicefreaks) Monster of Legend yet, do we? They're remarkably good at making powerful versions of normal creatures.

 

[Belzamus]

Neo, page 2 of this thread has the Star-Shadow Dragon. There are a lot of other cool monsters in there, too.

@Buugi, yeah, I was thinking along the same lines. At the very least, my Immortal Phane seems *CR* 72, not ECL 72, just at a glance (going by a rough estimate of how challenging he looks to a party). I'm not sure any of the entrants so far would have very good chances of winning against Thoom, so he should probably be left out.

He was fun to design, though.

 

[Neoiceshroom]

I have some ideas (that aren't just liberal application of Paragon and Greater Deity). We don't have a (Dicefreaks) Monster of Legend yet, do we? They're remarkably good at making powerful versions of normal creatures.

I highly encourage the use of DF Templates. Go for it. Also, Psionic-based characters are going to be at an advantage in the Graveyard, so long as they are sufficiently powerful to withstand the gravity.

Edit - Also another close friend of mine wants to enter his Lizardfolk Druid on behalf of the Aquatic Nations of Atlantis, and the pantheon of sea gods therein.

Should end up having something like
Druid 40/Tamer of Beasts 10/Dragontamer30/Crocodile Lord 10/Paragon LA +18/Intermediate deity LA +72
Stat-block possibly as early as this weekend, depending on whether or not I get to see my friend.

Edit2- Edited the roster on page 9 of this thread to include Razor and possible builds for Falazure.

 

[Buugipopuu]

Edit - Also another close friend of mine wants to enter his Lizardfolk Druid on behalf of the Aquatic Nations of Atlantis, and the pantheon of sea gods therein.

Should end up having something like
Druid 40/Tamer of Beasts 10/Dragontamer30/Crocodile Lord 10/Paragon LA +18/Intermediate deity LA +72
Stat-block possibly as early as this weekend, depending on whether or not I get to see my friend.

I'm 90% done on my own wildshape user, although the theme is completely different, since it's a Ranger/Dry Lich with Corrupt Wild Shape. Mainly need to upgrade my spreadsheet to automatically generate stats for wildshape forms (With Chimerical and Hybrid Wild Shape, there's a lot of number crunching to do). Coincidentally this creates another rivalry, as Desert and Sea are pretty opposed.

 

[Belzamus]

Oh, you still have the Hekatonkeires on the roster... I was kind of stumped on what to do with him. This is really, really out there, but would it be possible to make an archer build out of him, wielding 50 bows? I've never heard of such a thing and it sounds overpowered, but it would certainly be... unique.

Any other suggestions for something cool I could do with him? Maybe Pseudonatural?

 

[Buugipopuu]

Well, Neo Polymorpheus is basically done, but I need a ruling on what, out of their Deity templates they keep when a god Wild Shapes. By RAW they don't keep their Divine Bonus, for instance, which actually makes Druids fairly sucky. And they're not actually immortal when wild shaped, which is stupid. I ruled for my games that gods keep everything on their divine templates (in the same way that they keep all their Ex class abilities) when wild shaped (as they basically turn into divine versions of animals or whatever), with the exception of Divine Senses and the speed boost (because they're multiplicative, not additive, so you end up with crazy order of operations issues). Not sure if I also let the divine template modify ability scores.

 

[Belzamus]

You know... I was somehow under the impression that Alabaster's Evil Eye functioned as the Transcendental ability of the same name. Crazy, I know, right? It only applying a -12.... makes him substantially weaker than I thought he was. Oops.

Edit: Also, I just noticed you allow Improved Metamagic... I'm kind of speechless at that. Combing that with Improved Spell Mastery is...

I'm tempted to go make a mage build to show off how mind-bogglingly overpowered that is, and I'm not even good with mages.

Edit2: Now I'm confused. You say he can use 52 slots of metamagic to cast 12 quickened spells per round. How is it not 52 quickened spells per round, since IMM x3 would reduce Quicken to +1 level adjustment?