A well-meaning thread that degenerated into "is the OA Samuari historically accurate"

[DevoutlyApathetic]

Banzai charge at 2nd. When charging, take a -2 to AC and +2 to hit. Can be raised in increments up to your BAB. So BAB of +8 means max of -8 AC and +8 to hit.

Banzai charge gives a bonus to damage, not attack. A shame since a 'real' samurai would have great fun with that and power attack. Twice your BAB in bonus damage and you don't need to have a postive AC.

Regardless, the samurai class from CW will never see play IMC. OA is so much more accurate and appropriate that I can't say no to it. That and CW's is very Hollywood. Bah.

 

[MeepoTheMighty]

I don't know who wrote this version of the Samurai, but they sure didn't do their research. That is nothing like a real Samurai.

I know, d00d. A real samurai could like, TOTALLY destroy a tank with his katana, because like, it's a katana and stuff. And if any of those punk ass ninjas tried to stop him he'd be all like mrowwwwww-ya and chop their heads off with his kung-fu grip. And I know that's how samurai really operate because I did my research.

 

[ColonelHardisson]

How much of what's in the book is Open or Closed Content? Will any of it be in the SRD someday?

Except in one instance that I know of (a couple of critters in Monster Manual II), WotC doesn't put open content in their books. When anything will be released into the SRD is unknown. Material from the Epic Level Handbook was supposed to have made it in, for example, but, aside from the Epic material that is in the 3.5 DMG, none of it has made it in yet.

 

[Frostmarrow]

I know, d00d. A real samurai could like, TOTALLY destroy a tank with his katana, because like, it's a katana and stuff. And if any of those punk ass ninjas tried to stop him he'd be all like mrowwwwww-ya and chop their heads off with his kung-fu grip. And I know that's how samurai really operate because I did my research.

Really? I thought ninjas just fought pirates. O well, you learn something new everyday.

 

[Celtavian]

re

I know, d00d. A real samurai could like, TOTALLY destroy a tank with his katana, because like, it's a katana and stuff. And if any of those punk ass ninjas tried to stop him he'd be all like mrowwwwww-ya and chop their heads off with his kung-fu grip. And I know that's how samurai really operate because I did my research.

Hmmm...a sarcastic response probably based on the belief that I think a Samurai should be like they are in anime. Sorry, you targeted the wrong person, I don't watch anime. If you want to see how I think a Samurai should be try watching some Akira Kurosawa films. A much better archetype for a Samurai in my opinion.

here is a list of Kurosawa's movies:

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000041/

I highly recommend Yojimbo and The Seven Samurai, both excellent movies with Samurai characters. There are also quite a few good books that detail the sword techniques of the Samurai, which don't include fighting with two weapons. Very few use two-weapon style.

I believe you have confused my use of the word "balance" to mean that I want something more powerful, when I would prefer that classes not be balanced in terms of having unnecessary abilities. Just because a class A has three abilities doesn't mean class B needs 3 abilities if they are neither appropriate or necessary. I'm sorry, I get the feel quite often when reading Prc's that a class is given abilities because it was deemed to not have enough, not because the abilities are appropriate.

OA's Samurai is a well-designed archetype, even though it has less special abilities.

If you want to discuss Ninjutsu, we can do that as well (on a different thread). I am fairly well-read on Ninjutsu and actually consider the history of the Ninja interesting.

 

[hong]

I know, d00d. A real samurai could like, TOTALLY destroy a tank with his katana, because like, it's a katana and stuff. And if any of those punk ass ninjas tried to stop him he'd be all like mrowwwwww-ya and chop their heads off with his kung-fu grip. And I know that's how samurai really operate because I did my research.

Eh Meep, that's the point. The CW samurai is all flip-out-and-slice-people-in-half, what with TWF and banzai charge and whatnot. The OA samurai is less combat-oriented, except insofar that it gets bonus feats every few levels.

They seem to have taken the Miyamoto Musashi stereotype, which would have made an excellent basis for a prestige class (and has been, in fact; see the Mirumoto niten master in OA and the Dragon blademaster in AEG's Rokugan) and used it as the basis for a core class. Conversely, the kensai, whose abilities would have been perfectly appropriate for a fighting-based samurai core class, is a prestige class. Most ironic.

PS. Surely I don't need to remind you that the plural of ninja is ninjae.

 

[Frostmarrow]

Samurai should get special boni when dual wielding longboat oars or whilst nude in a sauna environment.

 

[Gez]

Can you compare the Dark Hunter with this one ?

 

[Psion]

It appears the Samurai is yet another instance of fixing what wasn't broke.

I am very not happy with the current design team at WotC.

 

[Kodam]

Hi!

Is there an updated Master of Chains or Exotic weapon master in there?

Kodam