A wild idea for killing a campaign boss

[RUMBLETiGER]

Was thinking more along the lines of critical structural failure, aka water balloon explosion. And if they vomit, light it.
Taking the Decanter of Endless Water and switching it with a flammable liquid or gas would be nice too.

If a Dragon opened it's mouth and something came out creating a jet of fire, methinks the Dragon would be accustomed to this. They must have some system in place for preventing whatever they project and ignite from backdrafting into thier insides.
Besides, once within the body, the absense of oxygen should prevent a continued ignition/explosion. It'd likely only be the substance that comes out that would be in flames (You chemists can correct me on this).

I still vote Folding Boat. or Daern's Instant Fortress.

 

[Sekhmet]

There are indeed fire breathing creatures on Earth. They have a gland that secretes a flammable liquid, which ignites as it is sprayed from their mouth by striking a very rough area on the top of their mouth with their tongues to create a small spark.
Interesting stuff, bro.

Along that note, it should be considered that Dragons probably don't usually contain vast amounts of anything in their stomach, instead being in other organs.

Also (magic).

 

[Omegaxicor]

Back to the original point

1) You certainly can't summon while inside the dragon.

2) You probably can't teleport there, either.

3) You'll be taking damage from the dragon's stomach while you're trying to do that. Better kill him very quickly.

4) You're taking damage = concentration checks on the spells. Nasty concentration checks.

5) Can you prepare everything stilled? You're not going to do very well at somatic components.

6) What are you going to breathe? Or use for the vocal component of spells for that matter?

1&5&6) If you can still and silent any spells with verbal or somatic components...why not?

2) I would rule that their are...safe...zones within the Dragon that are empty of matter and can be teleported into

3&4) If she can endure the damage (I imagine to be facing a Huge Dragon they'd have to be pretty high level) then I don't see why not

I think there are easier ways of killing a monster but imagine the tavern that night "I killed a dragon by teleporting creatures into it's stoma..." actually better be sure your summons are acid proof...or tough

EDIT: oh you said Large not Huge...can a Large dragon eat a medium orc without him getting free?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Back to the original point


1&5&6) If you can still and silent any spells with verbal or somatic components...why not?

The summoning spell won't bring the summoned critter inside due to a lack of a place for it.

Stilled/silent is certainly possible but you're giving up two spell levels in doing that.

2) I would rule that their are...safe...zones within the Dragon that are empty of matter and can be teleported into

I see no reason to think there would be.

 

[KiloGex]

As a DM, I would allow this just because of the cool roleplaying factor. Of course, if it started being a common thing then I would certainly have to put a stop to it.
Strictly according to the rules, this isn't possible. But, I would ask your DM if he (or she) would let you do this anyways.

This is a similar problem I ran into with a player - I let him rip the throat out of an enemy. The first time, I allowed it because it was an awesome idea and it fit the RP scenario. But, when he wanted to start making it a regular in-combat tactic....It became a problem.

So my words of advice? Allowing things like this because it's a cool idea is a slippery slope. Soon, the player will want to make this a regular thing because it was a cool but easy way to kill an enemy (one that he shouldn't have been able to kill strictly game-wise in the first place). And saying "no" after you've already said "yes" just makes you seem like a jerk.

 

[Sekhmet]

This is a similar problem I ran into with a player - I let him rip the throat out of an enemy. The first time, I allowed it because it was an awesome idea and it fit the RP scenario. But, when he wanted to start making it a regular in-combat tactic....It became a problem.

So my words of advice? Allowing things like this because it's a cool idea is a slippery slope. Soon, the player will want to make this a regular thing because it was a cool but easy way to kill an enemy (one that he shouldn't have been able to kill strictly game-wise in the first place). And saying "no" after you've already said "yes" just makes you seem like a jerk.

Ran into a guy who used to do street fights as his source of income, he'd had his "throat ripped out" once (nasty scar), but it didn't kill him. Apparently it bled profusely though.
By "throat ripped out", I mean to say that a person grabbed him by the larynx and tried to pull it out of his throat, with some degree of success.

Of course, medical care is a "little" better in modern life (unless you count "Cure" spells).

 

[Omegaxicor]

The summoning spell won't bring the summoned critter inside due to a lack of a place for it.

Stilled/silent is certainly possible but you're giving up two spell levels in doing that.

I see no reason to think there would be.

Both points stem from one disagreement, Why not say that a Dragon's Stomach can hold lots of "Items", or that it's Stomach would expand if you added "Items", well because that's how it works, I am curious why you would say no?

 

[anest1s]

Both points stem from one disagreement, Why not say that a Dragon's Stomach can hold lots of "Items", or that it's Stomach would expand if you added "Items", well because that's how it works, I am curious why you would say no?

Shrink Item :: d20srd.org

Just create some tasty snacks with this spell, feed the dragon then shout the password. Why would you go into the dragon yourself?

/That is if you can hire someone to cast it.

//or you could create a teleport-safe cage in him for you to teleport.

 

[Greenfield]

Unlike in the cartoons, bellies of large creatures, such as whales and dragons, don't necessarily have chambers of breathable air in them.

So you should probably work on some acid resistance and find a way to become the fish that gets swallowed. That eliminates the "can you teleport inside" issue. You'll still need a way to move/breath inside. I leave that to you, since you know what you can actually gain access to.

Typically swallowed creatures are treated as "grappled" for purposes of fighting their way out. So Still Spell is definitely on the list of things you'll want, unless you can get that rare Ring of Freedom of Movement.

Because of the limited space inside, Summon Swarm probably isn't a workable tactic.

Consider Shrink Item as your next best approach. So much cheaper tha the actual magic item Folding Boat. Shrink a number of dangerous things, pointy things, uncomfortable things. Barrels of caltrops with eight inch iron spikes sticking out of them. 10 foot long-spears with iron hafts. If nothing else, think heavy: How well can a dragon fly with a few thousand pounds of iron and lead shot in his belly? Pieces too pointy and oddly shaped to pass without 50 gallons of Preparation H.

We generally presume that anything under Shrink Item can only expand if there's room to expand, so don't go overboard. You want "uncomfortably large", not "pop him like a balloon".

And just remember that you can throw down a whole bunch of items in the same round, if you do it by the handful, so if you time it for a moment in the air you can ruin his whole day.

Also consider some form of Fire Immunity and a Necklace of Missiles. Take a missile, throw down the necklace, and detonate the missile. All the others will go, and the Dragon will have a case of heartburn to end all heartburn.

Then save that Teleport for your escape.

 

[Omegaxicor]

I read the link for Shrink Item and it specifically says "Objects changed by a shrink item spell can be returned to normal composition and size merely by tossing them onto any solid surface or by a word of command from the original caster" I imagine that means they have to be handled very carefully, touching the dragons mouth would mean they all expand at once before you want them too

and I never said anything about their being breathable air inside a dragons stomach, but the lack of air is no reason to disallow teleporting, if a Wizard want to use most of his spells per day in an attempt to kill one large Dragon then there is little that can be said, except that a Large Dragon isn't very Large and only a creature with Swallow Whole can swallow "any creature smaller than itself" (I think that's a quote I haven't got the MM to look it up)

but as stated above for a one time event I would rule it OK, if it became a regular thing I would have to wait until the player prepared those spells and eliminate any Large creature in the quest, until the player stopped (hey it's mean but it works, sometimes the DM has to be mean to teach players to play smart, knowing my players they would cast Enlarge Monster on a Medium monster )