Aasimar w/ Human Paragon Lvls?

[Talon71]

I am creating a character and selected Aasimar as my race. Aasimar is the result of a Celestial being and Human mating. According to UA, Half Orcs and Half elves are both eligible to take Human Paragon Or Orc/Elf Paragon in addition to their racial paragon levels. Thus, my interpretation was that an Aasimar is part Celestial and part human. Therefore I took levels in human paragon.

My DM replied to me with this:

True, but in the rules, aasimar is a distinct race, not a template, right? If your PC's race is aasimar, then he is not a human, but an aasimar. Shouldn't that preclude him from taking human paragon levels?

Anyone out there that could shed some light or has any thoughts, that would be great?

 

[Ankh-Morpork Guard]

Technically, you cannot take Human levels as you are not human, you're an Aasimar. Half-Elves and Half-Orcs have the advantage of being...well, half.

Tiefling has their own Paragon levels, and it annoys me to no end that Aasimars didn't get teh same treatment. I'd suggest working with your DM to design an Aasimar Paragon class

 

[kenobi65]

Aasimar is the result of a Celestial being and Human mating.

Well, not exactly.

The result of a Celestial and a human mating would be a half-celestial. If that half-celestial had a child with a human, *that* child would be an aasimar. And, since it seems like the bloodlines for aasimars (as well as tieflings, genasi, etc.) breed true, future generations would still be considered aasimars.

In other words: an aasimar has a celestial bloodline, but not a celestial parent. It's grandparent-level, or further back still.

 

[Diirk]

Don't half-elves and half-orcs need to take at least one of their own paragon levels before they can take human or elf/orc paragon levels? That would preclude the basis for your character design unfortunately ;/

If you want paragon levels, aasimar should be trivial to extrapolate from the tiefling ones...
3/4 BAB, all good saves, a resist from 5 -> 10 at 1st, daylight 3/day at 2nd, spot/listen bonuses to +4 at 2nd, +2 cha at 3rd (you could make a case for wisdom, too). d8 hitdice, proficiency with light armour and simple weapons. 4+int skill points. Done !

 

[Sejs]

I am creating a character and selected Aasimar as my race. Aasimar is the result of a Celestial being and Human mating. According to UA, Half Orcs and Half elves are both eligible to take Human Paragon Or Orc/Elf Paragon in addition to their racial paragon levels. Thus, my interpretation was that an Aasimar is part Celestial and part human. Therefore I took levels in human paragon.

Now look at that section again and ask yourself "In the Tiefling Paragon section, does it say that Tieflings can also take Human Paragon levels?"

 

[Mercule]

In lieu of an Aasimar Paragon class, I'd probably allow it. Ideally, though, you should work with the DM to create one similar to the Tiefling.

 

[Remathilis]

by the rulez, an aasimar is not a "human". Its type is "Outsider (Native) and it does not have the human sub-type. Theoretically, you could have a half-elven aasimar, or even a half-orcish aasimar, or something even wilder.

The only races that could take the human paragon class is Human, Vashar (BoVD), and Neanderthal (Frostburn). They are (human) subtyped. There might be another race like that in Races of Destiny also.

As stated, since tieflings have their own paragon class, aasimars should too. As Diirk said, you could easily use it to extrapolate an aasimar paragon. Or even use the old savage progessions article on WotC's site to advance to full Half-celestial.

but no, No human paragon aasimars by the book.

 

[Viktyr Gehrig]

I really think that planetouched paragons ought to have Divided Ancestry as a class feature. Of course, I've turned the various planetouched races into LA +2 templates. (Regular Planetouched are LA +1 because they lose the Human racial bonuses.)