About Reveille

[Dracorat]

This only proves the one universal truth.

You never really know who people are, even when you think you do. Anyone is capable of anything under the right/wrong circumstances.

I will end with this:

I hope that the user Rev grows from the experience.

 

[S'mon]

Anyone is capable of anything under the right/wrong circumstances.[/b]

Untrue - and it's a dangerous assumption that because you personally are capable of X, so is everyone else.

OTOH, it is very hard to be sure what any other person is or is not capable of.

 

[Herremann the Wise]

Again, just saying that just because I don't think punishment is the best option does not mean that I'm "letting it slide". Forgiving someone can be a hard thing to do too.

Ok, sorry to keep doing this to you, but do you want to elaborate on that?

Please, do not be sorry.

I think Rev's actions and the consequences from them will provide plenty of punishment for him - with or without the ban. Banning him to give people time to handle the issue is sensible. A permanent ban... perhaps since it seems that this was not an isolated incident... I don't know. It's a tough decision and one that I think the moderators have universal respect from the board for making. I'm still concerned that there might be further issues with Rev as I mentioned previously which is why I prefer the concept of rehabilitation over punishment. I suppose his email is available for those that wish to send him their support.

If you don't want to see punishment, then how are you not "letting it Slide"?

Letting it slide to me means not dealing with the situation and its manyfold repercussions. Not wanting to see punishment does not necessarily mean letting it slide. Alternatively, wanting to see punishment does not necessarily mean dealing with the issues. If one wished to see Rev banned so that one didn't have to have anything further to do with the guy, effectively banishing him, then is that necessarily dealing with what he did, and how one reacted to it? Different, but I think somewhat equal to "letting it slide". If Rev was invited back to the boards at some time in the future, such a person will find that a lot of the disappointment at being emotionally played with will still be there. Possibly even some sort of revenge or attack will most probably seem inevitable, even if it's just ignoring him. Obviously, I don't see such a path as ideal; too much unhappy baggage to carry around that may affect one's compassion if a similar (but truthful) situation arose on the boards.

By forgiving him, I have thought about what he did and how it affected not only me but also the community here. I've thought that continuing the cycle and rejecting him is unsuitable for me, particularly if he's in a dark spot at the moment. Accepting that I and others have been wronged but realizing I would do the same over again and gladly is important for me. Rather than seeing how I and others were "suckered" in as a weakness or fault, I see it as a sign of the strength and compassion of this community. A sign that being a very small part of EN World is actually a very important part of my life (be that silly or not). If Rev came back, I would be able to respond to his posts with a clean slate, without rancor or any need to relive the incident. While I wouldn't forget what happened I also wouldn't hold it against him anymore. To me that is personally dealing with the situation and not letting it slide. Please let me say as well that this is obviously not something I want to force on anyone else - it's just what works best for me. Everyone's entitled to deal with it in what ever way they choose, and so should it be.

Perhaps as well though, it is worth mentioning that it is easier for me to forgive for while I responded to his posts and he was a well known identity to me (as Fru too), I obviously have not had the closeness of contact as others here. I feel for what those who were closer to him are having to deal with. All in all, it was a severly ill-considered thing for Rev to do; his motives at this stage unknown and I suppose it will remain that way. Anyway peace be with you all.

Best Regards once again,

Herremann the Wise

 

[megamania]

Whatever the Mods suggest / do I will support.


Its sad however, In my mind, when Rev "fell" into a coma he did "Die" and will not return.

 

[tenkar]

I can understand why the mods do not want to divulge Rev's personal history. I also can understand why many, if not most, of the posters want more info to be able to understand HOW and WHY this community got played as well as it did. IMHO, Rev gave up all expectations of privacy when he started down this slippery slope of deception and deceit based upon a fictitious turn of events in his life that he proceeded to share as fact. Still, I respect the ENWorld staff for keeping such information private.

As for the forgive and forget, you can forgive and still punish. They are not mutually exclusive. Here and now he is a poison on these boards due to his actions and manipulations of the emotions of this community. I can forgive him as a person yet still be of the opinion that he should never be allowed to post on these boards again.

 

[messy]

Lame.

Stupid waste of our time, and his.

that about sums it up for me. i've always found internet hoaxes to be a stupid waste of time.

messy

 

[Umbran]

Please, please can you at least indicate that this is not the case in this situation to put my mind at ease? Thank you for your understanding.

I thoroughly understand your concern, but we aren't in a position to discuss Rev's mental state.

You folks all have the same access to Rev as we do - e-mail. If you are concerned, you might want to drop him a line.

 

[Roman]

I thoroughly understand your concern, but we aren't in a position to discuss Rev's mental state.

You folks all have the same access to Rev as we do - e-mail. If you are concerned, you might want to drop him a line.

Having now read the rest of the thread, I am now much less concerned - this seems to fit a pattern of long premeditated manipulation - not a sudden cry for attention.

 

[wingsandsword]

I can understand why the mods do not want to divulge Rev's personal history. I also can understand why many, if not most, of the posters want more info to be able to understand HOW and WHY this community got played as well as it did. IMHO, Rev gave up all expectations of privacy when he started down this slippery slope of deception and deceit based upon a fictitious turn of events in his life that he proceeded to share as fact. Still, I respect the ENWorld staff for keeping such information private.

This.

I fully understand why the mods don't want to reveal anything they know or make speculations about about Rev's history and medical/psychological state both for reasons of decency and privacy, and even possible legal reasons.

However, as he discussed these matters so much in his posts (and posts with disguised alts like "Rev's Mandy"), and we have discovered that so much of what he said was fiction it's only natural that people will wonder how much was real, how much was fiction, and what the real truth of everything is

 

[catsclaw227]

Trying to figure out his motives, Wasn't it Reveille who ran a social experiment (not as crude) a few years back that upset everyone because it wasn't based on a real situation. For some reason i remember it being d and d related but delving into serious moral issues.

I had forgotten that, but now I remember (vaguely). I recall it really yanking our chains and getting us going for a good long time, before he did the big reveal. He claimed it was a real situation, then eventually revealed it was just hypothetical. Hmm, that does shed new light on this.

Is it appropriate to ask what this social experiment was? I think it's relevant to the conversation and at the same time, it doesn't infringe upon anyone's privacy or medical condition.

It was a public situation that also affected other EW members, and I am curious what it was. I want to be able keep my eyes open for a similar things, in case anyone else gets swept up into something new.

I don't expect mods to comment on it, and rightly so, but if any EW members have any recollection of the events, I'd be interested in the facts.