AD&D First Edition inferior?

[MerricB]

In any case, such changes to the "to hit" scores are trivial. Compare OD&D, OAD&D and the BECM line of D&D!

Cheers!

 

[hong]

It's just ridiculous when, to simply play a game, you have to drop ONE HUNDRED DOLLARS just to play.

www.opengamingfoundation.org/srd.html is completely free.

That's simply outrageous. A person should be able to buy the core rules for $20, and they shouldn't be more than 128 pages long.

Life wasn't meant to be easy.

Malcolm Fraser couldn't say it, but I don't have a constituency to offend.

 

[hong]

Hem and Haw?

3e has easier to hit gameplay.

1e BAB numbers are lower for all.

HD and Armor haven't changed with the exception of leather.

This proves 3e has easier to hit gameplay.

Fighter BAB in 1E = level x 1 = fighter BAB in 3E
Cleric BAB in 1E = level x 2/3 (?) ~= cleric BAB in 3E
M/U BAB in 1E = level x 1/2 = wiz/sorc BAB in 3E

AC in 1E taps out at -10
AC in 3E is unlimited

Dex bonus to AC is limited to +6 (?) in 1E
Dex bonus to AC is unlimited in 3E

Rings of protection don't stack with magic armour in 1E
Items providing natural armour bonuses don't exist in 1E

No hem and haw there.

Clear and defined difference.

Indeed.

 

[Piratecat]

Colonel, I recently bought Stratego Legends for $25.00, which is the price tag that should be on D&D ($20 book and $5 dice).

You, my friend, should be playing FUDGE.

I think D&D is a phenomenal value for the price. Heck, it would be a great value at twice the price, although a lot less people would be playing it. I pay $10 for a 2 hour movie. That's $5 an hour. Since 3e has come out, I have played - what? - 300 hours of D&D for the price of the core rules. That's $.33 an hour, and getting cheaper every time we play. Even if you assume I've spent an additional $200 on accessories, it's still only $1 an hour. It's a great deal.

So I don't buy your statement at all. $25? Maybe the PHB to attract new players, but not for all 3 books.

 

[diaglo]

When I bought 'em, the 1e PHB and MM were $12 each, the DMG was $15.

when i bought them i paid $10 for the PHB and MM. i paid $12 for the DMG.

i paid $4.50 for G1

i paid $10 for the first printing of the DDG.

i paid $5 for a boxed set of Grenadier minis.

i paid etc...

i also walked to school 5 miles barefoot, uphill thru 4 ft of snow after doing all my chores.

 

[Psion]

Originally posted by GENEWEIGEL
I did not mean scholarly as a "dis" but instead suggesting that the current trend has been to take books as official to be official without question.

LOL! What a crock...

In the 1e era, I distinctly remember:

- Gygax writing an article with words to the effect of "if you aren't playing by my rules, you aren't playing D&D."

- Dragon editors cautioning readers when they use classes from the pages of the magazine to use caution because they weren't from Gygax, who apparently had a monopoly on ajudicating balance in the D&D game.

OTOH, it 3e

- The first step of character creation in the PHB is to check with your DM to see if there is anything that deviates from the book.

- All splatbooks have a "check with your DM first" statement in them.

- The DM specifically advises freeform gaming as a valid style of play.

The notion that the 3e mindset is more bent on blind obedience to the rules than 1e was is simply laughable.

 

[Tharkun]

Anyone think this could be a troll? I'm not saying that it is or not but it sure does have the feeling it just might be. Just something to think about, yea I know not all this that may be trolls are but you never know do you?

 

[Tharkun]

when i bought them i paid $10 for the PHB and MM. i paid $12 for the DMG.

i paid $4.50 for G1

i paid $10 for the first printing of the DDG.

i paid $5 for a boxed set of Grenadier minis.

i paid etc...

i also walked to school 5 miles barefoot, uphill thru 4 ft of snow after doing all my chores.

I think you mean: I also walked to school barefoot, uphill both ways through 6 feet of snow and if you were very lucky you'd have some rags for clothing

 

[diaglo]

I think you mean: I also walked to school barefoot, uphill both ways through 6 feet of snow and if you were very lucky you'd have some rags for clothing

i'm glad someone recognized me.

 

[GENEWEIGEL]

Psion, I'll give you a perfect example of what I am talking about.

Experience for treasure.

Why is it bad?

No hems, no haws.

Why is it bad?

A simple question.