Adding more than 1 alignment on a weapon

[Belares]

One of my players wants to make a holy/axiomatic weapon. I think that you cant do it as like using align weapon, you cant have more than 1 alignment on a weapon at one time, but I know that making magic weapons with alignment is not using align weapon or holy weapon they use other spells. With that said is there a rule somewhere that forbids it as I really dont mind but would like to know.

 

[Hypersmurf]

One of my players wants to make a holy/axiomatic weapon. I think that you cant do it as like using align weapon, you cant have more than 1 alignment on a weapon at one time, but I know that making magic weapons with alignment is not using align weapon or holy weapon they use other spells. With that said is there a rule somewhere that forbids it as I really dont mind but would like to know.

A Holy weapon is good-aligned. An Axiomatic weapon is lawfully aligned. You can't have more than one alignment on a weapon... but fortunately, Lawful Good is only one alignment, and it satisfies the good-aligned and lawfully-aligned conditions.

A Holy Unholy weapon, on the other hand, would not be possible, since a weapon cannot be both good-aligned and evil-aligned; there is no single alignment that contains both elements.

-Hyp.

 

[Pyrex]

Why not? Except (possibly) in the case of an Intelligent weapon, I can't see anything in the RAW that prohibits a Holy+Unholy weapon.

Granted, you'd need a [Good] caster with access to Holy Smite to add the Holy quality and then an [Evil] caster with access to Unholy Blight to add the Unholy quality, but I don't see anything that says you can't do it.

Really, is it that much different than having a Flaming Frost weapon?

 

[Patryn of Elvenshae]

There's nothing in the weapon creation rules that prevent it.

The limitation in Align Weapon is a limitation of that spell, and not necessarily indicative of anything else.

For instance, consider a weapon wielded by an Archon of some form. It has the [Good] and [Lawful] subtypes, both of which allow:

A creature with the good subtype overcomes damage reduction as if its natural weapons and any weapons it wields were good-aligned (see Damage Reduction, above).

...

A creature with the lawful subtype overcomes damage reduction as if its natural weapons and any weapons it wields were lawful-aligned (see Damage Reduction, above).

However, I would rule that the Anarchic and Axiomatic special abilities, for instance, were "abilit[ies] incompatible with an ability that you’ve already rolled."

 

[Cabral]

It would have been nice if they combined Holy and Unholy abilities and Anarchic and Axiomatic abilities then have a percentage of good/evil or law/chaos like the table for Bane weapons.

 

[Hypersmurf]

Why not? Except (possibly) in the case of an Intelligent weapon, I can't see anything in the RAW that prohibits a Holy+Unholy weapon.

A Holy weapon is good-aligned. An Unholy weapon is evil-aligned.

Damage reduction may be overcome by special materials, by magic weapons (any weapon with a +1 or higher enhancement bonus, not counting the enhancement from masterwork quality), certain types of weapons (such as slashing or bludgeoning), and weapons imbued with an alignment.

A creature with an alignment subtype (chaotic, evil, good, or lawful) can overcome this type of damage reduction with its natural weapons and weapons it wields as if the weapons or natural weapons had an alignment (or alignments) that match the subtype(s) of the creature.

So, DR X/good is overcome by weapons imbued with an alignment; that is, weapons that have an alignment that matches the [Good] subtype.

Either a Holy weapon cannot overcome DR X/Good, or it is a weapon that has an alignment; one that matches the [Good] subtype.

There are three alignments that match the [Good] subtype; Lawful Good, Neutral Good, and Chaotic Good.

DR X/evil is overcome by weapons imbued with an alignment; that is, weapons that have an alignment that matches the [Evil] subtype.

Either an Unholy weapon cannot overcome DR X/Evil, or it is a weapon that has an alignment; one that matches the [Evil] subtype.

There are three alignments that match the [Evil] subtype; Lawful Evil, Neutral Evil, and Chaotic Evil.

Assuming that Holy and Unholy weapons bypass DR, it means they have an alignment.

For a Holy weapon, that alignment is one of Lawful Good, Neutral Good, or Chaotic Good.

For an Unholy weapon, that alignment is one of Lawful Evil, Neutral Evil, or Chaotic Evil.

A Holy, Unholy weapon has an alignment; it is one of Lawful Good, Neutral Good, or Chaotic Good, and it is also one of Lawful Evil, Neutral Evil, or Chaotic Evil. Both conditions cannot be satisfied; the weapon is therefore impossible. They're incompatible abilities.

An Archon with an Unholy weapon could bypass both DR X/Good and DR X/Evil, because he is wielding a weapon that has an evil alignment, which bypasses DR as if it had a good alignment. But the weapon does not have a good alignment.

-Hyp.

 

[the Jester]

I actually really like the idea of an anarchic, axiomatic, holy, unholy weapon for true neutral characters to wield.

 

[fnork de sporg]

Again I posit the true neutral Rilmani with an Axiomatic/Anarchic/Holy/Unholy weapon. For a creature of pure balance it makes perfect sense to mix these enhancements.

In the RAW there's nothing that says you can't.

[edit]Doh![/edit]

 

[Hypersmurf]

Again I posit the true neutral Rilmani with an Axiomatic/Anarchic/Holy/Unholy weapon. For a creature of pure balance it makes perfect sense to mix these enhancements.

In the RAW there's nothing that says you can't.

Can I cast Align Weapon on a Holy Axiomatic weapon to make it evil? Why or why not?

-Hyp.

 

[boolean]

Can I cast Align Weapon on a Holy Axiomatic weapon to make it evil? Why or why not?

-Hyp.

No. Because the spell description says you can't.

There is no reason why the restrictions of the Align Weapon spell should apply to Anarchic/Axiomatic/Holy/Unholy weapons.