Glad to see you are still alive, DbS. <hugs>
...sorry in advance for the poor formating.
I'm also thrilled that you like most of my ideas! I've been having such a great and lovely weekend I decided to hope online and add a bunch of follow ups. <giggles>
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"Method of the Veteran" is a fine name, I agree. And I left out that this "style" should probably be a charisma based one, since prowess is charisma based by default.
Helpless status condition is fine for the Delerious thing.
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I believe penetrating sodomy "should" be a prof and should be reciprocal. This is because most of the act is pleasurable by the thrusting and not by the moving of the girl right? Or perhaps it is an art form to recieve, hence the need for the Prof. In any case, Should we have a penetrating sodomy, after all some people "DO" get off on that...
DSM and Bondage need to be removed as prof or altered, I'm glad you agree. No ideas as of yet. I'll but it on the list of discussion topics.
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Gender Bias...
Okay, I know the overall idea is that women take longer to stimulate than men... The point I was trying to make but bumbbled with, is that I think the reverse is true when we are talking about the caressing of non-sex organs. As is right now: To get a Man to climax by caressing his breasts (from peaked) is a DC 26. A peaked female needs a DC 30 to climax by caressing her breasts. In my experience, I've NEVER seen a man climax by caressing his breasts... But I HAVE had an orgasm from 'only' breast caresses. Yet, the DC for a male is still lower... This is where I see a gender bias issue. The individual profs might need to be tweaked, but the DC table is fine in my eyes. I guess in general, just as "TECHNIQUE SUITABILITY" modifies the DC by arousal state, i think it should also do it by gender in some cases.
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New subdual rules. Okay, cool! I guess I was remembering 2e.
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Prowess Check & Multiple Partners --- New Workup ---
THE PROWESS CHECK
Performing a Prowess check on someone (including yourself) is a miscellaneous full-round action incurring attacks of opportunity. If an attack of oppurtunity hits you, the damage inflicted is coutned as a penalty to your prowess check. Unless specifically stated otherwise, Prowess checks can only be made against an Unwilling partner if they are grappled, helpless or immobile.
It is possible to make Prowess checks against more than one partner as the same full-round action; if your character wishes to do so, a penalty of -4 per additional partner is applied to all checks. You cannot make more simultaneous checks than (1+Dex bonus) at any time, unless otherwise stated.
Prowess checks are a full round action and thus all of them are resolved for a single target at the end of the round (they may each be rolled on initiative count, but their effect does not take place until the end of the entire round). Each prowess check is rolled off the target's current state of arousal and physical condition. The highest successful arousal increase is used as the base roll. If another participant succeeds the DC neccessary to raise the target's arousal, the base roll recieves a +2 synergy bonus. If a participant simply hits the current arosual state DC there is no modifier. If the participant only can hit an arousal DC lower than the current state, then the base roll suffers a -2 circumstance penalty.
Example: Girl A is pleasuring herself (masturbation) while her partner (Guy B) has intercourse with her (she is only passively using her prowess on him, thus gains the full bonus to her own check and no multiple partner penalty). Both of them are aroused at the start of the round. Girl A has two prowess checks being using on her, (Guy B's and her own). Guy B gets a DC 21 (enough for the DC 20 to peak her) and Girl A gets a DC 19 (enough for the DC 18 to peak her). Guy Bs is the base roll (because it is higher) and it gets a +2 synergy bonus because of Girl A's success. So the final target DC is 20 and the check is a 23 (she is peaked). If instead, Guy B had his a DC 3, Girl A's check would have been the base and suffered a -2 penalty, thus the target DC for peak would be an 18 and the check a 17, and she would still only be aroused.
When making a Prowess check, you may apply as much or as little of your rank bonus as you desire, but the declaration must be made BEFORE you make the roll. Consult the table below for DCs according to your partner’s present condition, where the numbers on the left represent a male partner, and the ones on the right a female one.
After the check is made, the partner’s Arousal is changed to fit the highest DC the character achieved. They may resist this change by rolling a Fortitude save against a DC equal to the character's Prowess check, adding an Unwilling bonus where applicable. If successful, they remain in their current state and no additional arousal is gained.
Table X-XX: Arousal DCs
Current \ Target None Aroused Peaked Climaxed Ecstatic
None <13/<16 13/16 26/32 52/64 104/128
Aroused <1/<5 1/5 14/18 28/36 56/72
Peaked <1/<5 1/5 8/10 16/20 32/40
It is possible to keep a partner in Climax or Ecstasy for more than one round, although this may result in adverse effects (see Status Conditions for more details). In order to do so, use the DCs listed for a Peaked character, but double it for each round spent in Climax or Ecstasy. Thus, a Peaked male character would be DC 16 to raise to Climaxed initially, DC32 the round after that, DC 48 on the third round and so on. If the DC for Climaxed is not sustained, male characters lose all arousal; female characters reside to Aroused instead.
However, after the first round spent in Climax or Ecstasy, each further round spent in Climax does one point of temporary Wisdom damage; each round spent Ecstatic does 1d3 points of temporary Wisdom damage.
When a partner is using a Penetrative technique against them, characters always make a Prowess check back, if only by virtue of just lying there. In the round in which the check is made against them, they must make a Prowess check back on their initiative pass. If they do not add their rank bonus to this, it is considered a free action and does not impose any penalties against any other checks they may wish to make.
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New Gratification Issues:
Okay, I like the new way of doing gratification, which I will outline below. But now we have one more small problem. In a average encounter, a man climaxes once... That means 1 gratification point MAYBE more... Meanwhile a female can go much higher, much faster, assuming the encounter is going well. This means that while a girl's emotions will always be twisted up by sex as she climbs the Hard Focus chart to Memorable and Fantastic, the guy will always be stuck with statisfying and will never be altered. Now, I don't have a problem with "girls" being more suspetable to "attachment syndrome", but I do think this method is a little skewed as is and the poor guy can never get rapturous sex...

I mean even a CON 16, can only take 5 orgasms before passing out, if that, and that session is going to take around an hour, most of it with rest time from the 10 min recovery period. My solution, men should probably aquire gratification faster... Suggestions?
But the new system stands as:
Hard Focus rules:
To devote more attention to a given lovemaking session, work things out round by round using the Prowess check mechanics, as explained in ‘The Prowess Check’. When a character becomes Climaxed or Ecstastic, they receive a gratification point plus an additional point for every 5 points by which the test exceeds the base climax DC (modified by circumstance but not arousal state), rounded down to a minimum of 1. Keep a tally of this for each partner and consult the Gratification table at the end of proceedings.
Examples:
Female is peaked, partner makes DC 26 (target DC 20), the gratificiation is 2 (1 + 6/5 round down).
Female is climaxed, partner makes a DC 41 (target DC 40 base 20), the gratification is 5 (1 + 21/5 round down).
Female is peaked, partner makes a DC 46 (target DC 40 for estacy, base 20), the gratification is 6 (1 + 26/5).
Female is peaked and exhausted, partner makes a DC 46 (target DC 46 for estacy, base 26), the gratification is 5 (1 + 20/5).
Table X-XX: Gratification Table:
Soft Focus / Hard Focus / Performance
<10 / <1 / Disappointing
10 / 1 / Satisfactory
15 / 5 / Enjoyable
20 / 10 / Memorable
30 / 15 / Fantastic
40 / 20 / Extraordinary
50 / 25 / Heavenly
60 / 30 / Rapturous
effects as normal, etc...
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Resisting Prowess Rolls:
Saves are left in the dust by skill checks. A 10th level character can get a good +16 to prowess with some work. Fort saves aren't liekly to be anywhere near this... Is this a problem? After +15 and higher, it becomes unlikely that a prowess roll will ever be resisted...
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Okay, so the new arousal table is as follows:
Current \ Target None Aroused Peaked Climaxed Ecstatic
None <13/<16 13/16 26/32 52/64 104/128
Aroused <1/<5 1/5 14/18 28/36 56/72
Peaked <1/<5 1/5 8/10 16/20 32/40
Not mathimatically pretty, but it works.
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New Issue: Shouldn't being exhausted make your rolls suffer? Or is it just harder to stimulate you? Personally I think it should lower your ability a little and make it harder to stimulate you, if people think this is too complex, that's okay...
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And now for some more Java Girl... <blush>
I made a slight boo boo in my calcs... But these should work for the new numbers... All of these assume the AI where the female helps herself first and the male second and that the male resists climaxing and peaking...
Avgerage Commoner (+0 Prow, +0 Fort, 10 Con)
Avg Intercourse: 8 rounds, Avg F Orgasms: 0.171, F Climax Chance 17.1%, Avg F Grat: 0.17
(+1 Prow, +1 Fort, 10 Con)
Avg Intercourse: 9 rounds, Avg F Orgasms: 0.383, F Climax Chance 38.3%, Avg F Grat: 0.38
(+2 Prow, +1 Fort, 10 Con)
Avg Intercourse: 9 rounds, Avg F Orgasms: 0.655, F Climax Chance 55.7%, Avg F Grat: 0.66
(+3 Prow, +1 Fort, 10 Con)
Avg Intercourse: 9 rounds, Avg F Orgasms: 1.011, F Climax Chance 68.5%, Avg F Grat: 1.01
(+5 Prow, +2 Fort, 10 Con)
Avg Intercourse: 10 rounds, Avg F Orgasms: 1.89, F Climax Chance 85.3%, Avg F Grat: 2.01
(+10 Prow, +3 Fort, 12 Con)
Avg Intercourse: 9 rounds, Avg F Orgasms: 3.63, F Climax Chance 87.4%, Avg F Grat: 4.74
(+15 Prow, +6 Fort, 14 Con)
Avg Intercourse: 10 rounds, Avg F Orgasms: 5.23, F Climax Chance 84.0%, Avg F Grat: 9.79
These are just some averages... But they seem to work well. I'm going to make a new AI for experienced players that allows the woman to hold of for better gratification and see what we come up with.
So that is about it for me right now.
Here are the open issues:
1. Reciprocal Sodomy?
2. DSM & Bondage as Profs?
3. Clothing Rules?
4. Higher Gratification Rate for Men?
5. Prowess outstripping saves, problem or not?
6. Multiple Prowess success add +2 syngery for equal ot +1 state only?
Take care all. <smiles all around>
