Adult: GUCK Development Forum again

[SinbadBleu]

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So, are you guys thinking a new skill? Personally, I am strongly against that, as seduction is already covered in Bluff, Sense Motive, Diplomacy, or just straight Cha checks, as Bastoche said. Adding new skills is always a pain, so anything that can be resolved with existing skills would certainly be appreciated.

Guidelines on applicable modifiers? That shouldn't be a problem.

It was not my plan to come up with new skills that can be used for seduction but use the current ones, with a more "detailed" list of modifers.

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[VVrayven]

SinbadBleu: If you mean http://www.netbook-of-uck.net/, the the answer is totally OUT OF DATE. Almost nothing that has been dicussed on this thread is on that site. However, it does hold the parent of everything we have been working on. So, at best, I'd say the draft there is 25-40% accurate.

Although it is a difficult read, if you wish a current copy of the rules to date, check out Bastoche's wonderful summary at http://www.physique.usherb.ca/~sroy/guck.pdf.



Edit: and in answer to your previous post, we seem to be playing post tag, , yes, I plan on doing a summary of the existing skills with a few scant modifiers. Please feel free to post anything helpful though or even your own take on it.

 

[SinbadBleu]

Re: Summary of d20 GUCK's purposes

"Welcome to the discussion topic for the editing of the great Guide to Unlawful Carnal Knowledge. It is advisable that you read all four existing versions of the guide - the Original Guide, the NUCK d20 conversion, the DbS d20 conversion and the beta Naked Blades conversion before contributing, but a little innocence can?t hurt."

Is there a location that all of the materials can be gone thru?

NUCK? Netbook? Where is it if is not a pay for.

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Summary on the "accepted rules" coming up!

A summary of what has been presented would be great. Thanks

 

[SinbadBleu]

Here it is. In pdf format. Around 30 pages. The text form sucks, but I made it quick...

download it here:

http://www.physique.usherb.ca/~sroy/guck.pdf

I am unable to download it, with firewall and off. Is anyone else have issues getting to downloaded.?

 

[VVrayven]

I can help you out with this one if you wish. Post your email, or you can send it to me (vvrayven@yahoo.com) and I'll email you the summary.

Edit: Got to leave now for a while. I sent a copy to you Enworld Address, hope that helps.

 

[Bastoche]

Edit: Excellent work Bastoche. ::blows a kiss:: Great job. You left out my final Carnal Art (the general one which needs a new name, I DbS had one. ) But great job. I don't have the time right now to check it all for correctness, but it looks good. Oh, and there are a few things in there that are still being dicussed and aren't part of the core yet, like Issue A above and how kinks work (though I'm still glad everyone is onboard with my system now. <blush>) Thanks again, Bastoche.

Each time a consensus is made, someone should email me the section so I can update the PDF file. I'm a little busy at work these days, but I'll try to find some time to clear up what I already summed and edit it a bit. I'll read through it to make sure it's understandable. Understandable in such a way that only flavor text/artwork will be missing.

 

[Bastoche]

I am unable to download it, with firewall and off. Is anyone else have issues getting to downloaded.?

We've had some server troubles just now. It should be working now.

 

[Sorn]

Bastoche, thanks for the summary. I think that's a lot better than having super-long posts.

In any case, going over it, one thing jumped out at me (which I had previously forgotten).

Currently, soft-focus rules do not allow the use of Carnal Arts or Techniques.

Now, a group is playing with hard-focus rules (HF), but decides to have a soft-focus (SF) encounter. Character X has two Carnal Arts, lots of ranks in Prowess and a great number of techniques and kinks/frets. However, none of these matter for his SF gratification roll, except for his Prowess ranks. Even when simplified into a single roll, in a given encounter, he should be able to employ some of the things he's learned to his (or his partner's) benefit.

A different group is not using HF rules, but a few of the characters are frequently using sex for both pleasure and to further the game itself (using sex to get information, etc.). To that end they took a PrC from the GUCK. However, since they are not planning on using HF, the prerequisite of a Carnal Art, or kink, or other HF rule will not let them take it, even though it would be a perfect fit for their characters (unless of course they have no problem wasting a feat slot on a feat they will never use).

I could provide you with a lot of other examples, but I think the point becomes clear: both SF and HF rules need to be compatible enough to allow for seamless integration with the rest of the material. Having SF-only and HF-only will make things cumbersome, and the overall quality will suffer accordingly.

I don't mean to be a pest about this issue, but there has to be a way to mesh SF and HF to allow seamless integration. For your average Jack and Jill (no carnal arts, no kinks, no frets, a few ranks in Prowess), the current SF rules work fine. However, SF stops working all that well once you deal with adventurers with a slight sexual bent or NPC sex professionals who might even have a carnal art, even though they are lower-level.

Before I start rambling on, am I the only one who sees it this way? I am not saying that we should get rid of HF or switch the focus of the book. I simply want to give more options to the SF games out there. I think we all agree that the majority of people who d/l the GUCK will stick to SF games.

 

[SinbadBleu]

Wow! I picked the wrong few days to miss.

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Rules on Seduction:
As one of the lead contributers (i think I've earned that title at least boys): I'll say that I will put ONE page in on rules for this. It will involve NO NEW SKILLS. It will only detail how to use old ones. It will not be absolute and WILL be abstract. If people agree with this, that's great. I hope it settles most of the issue. GUCK should not completly ignore seduction, but these types of things should be role played out with a quick system for those that wish to skip such things.

I would prefer to see more on this in the vein of hard rules I do not know if one page could cover it.

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With all due respect SinbadBleu, please do not sow discontent here. I believe I am one of the core here now and I hope you are not implying that we haven't "contributed" anything new from the old guide. We have worked hard here, and yes, it is a forum project so everyone that posts is involved... But seriously, just because someone reads our work doesn't mean they have really gritted down and put effort into it. We have discussed things in forum and come to consenus through our own way. We say such things because we are the ones putting our hours and time into the rules and mechanics. If you have a problem with the way in which we operate, that's fine, you are free to tell us, it is an open forum. I would ask though that you be polite and at least give us the benefit of a doubt that we have considered your opinions. Nothing has been banned from our forum. We are just trying to keep to a plan. I've disagreed with your "size chart" idea, it doesn't mean it wasn't considered. The same goes for elaborate rules for love and seduction. We do thank you for bringing our attnetion to things though. If you wish to contribute more (you've been silent a time it seems) feel free to post.

It was not my intent to sow discontent.

I never stated or implied that the core had not contributed anything either.

As for being polite......that is a POV and will not go there.

I have no issue that breast size being used or not, I do not have an issue with "we".

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[SinbadBleu]

We've had some server troubles just now. It should be working now.

Bastoche: The link is now working. Thanks

VVrayven: I have it now thanks for the offer.