Adult: GUCK Development Forum again

[Sorn]

SindbadBleu: Thanks. I've seen that site, and got a lot of ideas from there. As far as courtesans go... you are absolutely right: they did come (predominantly) from non-noble solcial classes. However, I think the Aristocrat NPC class fits their description best.

On pg. 38 of the DMG, we find:

Aristocrats are not only the well-born, but also the wealthy and influential people in the world.

I made some revisions to clarify this.

VVrayven:

Excellent job again. The peaked duration has been changed in the status conditions on the website.

Personally, I prefer the middle chart (the one with the arousal loss removed). I think that once things are going, arousal will only be lost under extreme circumstances (cat jumping on your back, parents walking in, etc.). However, those circumstances usually take precedence over any further arousal attemps (i.e. trying to yank the cat of your back, putting a sock over your erection in the case of parents).

Again, thanks for your hard work on this.

Edit: Just as a thought, how about we add some of the results of your Java widget in an appendix? Sword and Fist had a statistical breakdown of combat, so a similar breakdown would be nice to show people we actually tested those rules.

 

[Bastoche]

A note.

I will be away for 3-4 weeks. See you in may!

 

[Sorn]

We'll miss ya Bastoche!

On a side note, I added some more material to the Online Guide. I wrote preliminaries for Sexual Orientation and PHB Alignment. I also added the spells and PrC's from the 0.5 version as reference material. I'll be adding more things here and there over the next few days.

 

[VVrayven]

Warning! Long Post! <giggle>

Sorn: Love the idea of a stat section in the appendix. Great idea! <blows a kiss>

Bastoche: Bye! <big wave> We'll miss you!

I have a new solution that I think everyone should (I hope) be happy with).

We will use the following table:
Table X-XX: Arousal DCs
Current Arousal - None - Aroused - Peaked - Climaxed - Ecstatic
None -/- 13/16 26/32 52/64 104/128
Aroused -/- 3/4 14/18 28/36 56/72
Peaked -/- -/- 4/5 16/20 32/40

Should there be any situation in which a character goes from any physical arousal condition

to none, they are allow a Fort Save to remain Aroused. The DC for this roll is set by

circumstance.

DC 0 - During Intercourse
DC 5 - During Oral or Masturbation
DC 10 - During Other Foreplay
DC 15 - Unusual circumstances (parents walking in)
DC 20 - "I have just be stabbed by a sword!"

This means that a DC 0 (instant success under normal sex) kills all chance of an erection

loss (or the girl "drying up") during sex. I could make the FEMALE numbers all a 5 DC

higher. Might be a little more realistic that way. I'll post both runs.

Note: This should only be used to resist all arousal loss. NO reisting loosing peak or

climax status.

Okay, using the (male = female) method:

Average Total Time: 19.055251
Average Foreplay Time: 3.125912
Average Intercourse Time: 15.929339
Female Climax Percentage: 53.877399999999994%
Male Climax Percentage: 100.0%
Average Female Orgasms 0.538774
Average Male Orgasms 1.0
Average Female Arousal Loss 0.0
Average Male Arousal Loss 0.0
Average Female Gratification 0.538774
Average Male Gratification 1.0
Average Female Fatigue Status 0.538774
Average Male Fatigue Status 1.0

And using the (female reists DC +5) method:

Average Total Time: 22.043997
Average Foreplay Time: 6.118819
Average Intercourse Time: 15.925178
Female Climax Percentage: 53.92829999999999%
Male Climax Percentage: 100.0%
Average Female Orgasms 0.539283
Average Male Orgasms 1.0
Average Female Arousal Loss 1.529986
Average Male Arousal Loss 0.0
Average Female Gratification 0.539283
Average Male Gratification 1.0
Average Female Fatigue Status 0.539283
Average Male Fatigue Status 1.0

I'll go ahead a post a few more now. These are truncated for space reasons. This assumes the

male and female are equal partners and we are using the male=female resist DCs. This also

assumes they always use their full bonus, try to climax each other as fast as possible

(after the women has had one) and stop after the male climaxes...

Using a (Prowess +5, Fort +2):
Average Intercourse Time: 7.69194
Female Climax Percentage: 94.599%
Average Female Orgasms 1.298199
Average Female Gratification 1.501529

Using a (Prowess +10, Fort +4, Con 12):
Average Intercourse Time: 5.247613
Female Climax Percentage: 95.21889999999999%
Average Female Orgasms 1.841612
Average Female Gratification 2.585227
Average Female Fatigue Status 0.637523

Using a (Prowess +15, Fort +7, Con 14):
Average Intercourse Time: 4.020147
Female Climax Percentage: 95.5584%
Male Climax Percentage: 100.0%
Average Female Orgasms 2.222768
Average Female Gratification 3.666825
Average Male Gratification 1.145349
Average Female Fatigue Status 0.347559
Average Male Fatigue Status 1.0

And just a special little treat. Here is a master +20(+12 Fort) going up against a +0 farm

girl (God, I'd love to be her):

Average Total Time: 22.269651
Average Foreplay Time: 1.600099
Average Intercourse Time: 20.669552
Female Climax Percentage: 98.17630000000001%
Male Climax Percentage: 22.0048%
Average Female Orgasms 12.035412
Average Male Orgasms 0.220048
Average Female Gratification 24.031139
Average Male Gratification 0.220048
Average Female Fatigue Status 2.584652
Average Male Fatigue Status 0.220048
Average Female Pass-Out Chance 78.4756%

And just one more thing to add. It is not possible for two commoners +0 to go until they

pass out. The penalties are just too great and they can NEVER achieve climax passed a

certain point. (This is good, in my eyes). However, with a few ranks, I can edit the AI so

that they go until someone passes out.

Average Total Time: 210.6153
Average Foreplay Time: 7.50303
Average Intercourse Time: 203.11227
Female Climax Percentage: 100.0%
Male Climax Percentage: 100.0%
Average Female Orgasms 10.57845
Average Male Orgasms 4.9929
Average Female Gratification 12.21953
Average Male Gratification 5.75384
Average Female Fatigue Status 1.85648
Average Male Fatigue Status 2.99627
Average Female Pass-Out Chance 0.373%
Average Male Pass-Out Chance 99.627%

I'm not sure how I feel about these numbers overall. I'd like to hear some discussion now on

this thing we have made. I'm going to nit-pick through a couple of the above rounds to see

if there is something that can be tweaked. Perhaps if I shift the AI around a little...

Hmmm... <puts on her thinking cap>

 

[Sorn]

<catches kiss> Thanks We have the data, might as well use it.

The new numbers look good. Since you have your JAVA gadget, I'd say you'll be the main designer for this part and we'll let you tweak the numbers. We can all read the output, and if anyone sees any discrepancies, they can let you know. Other than that, let me know when you think we have the optimal values and I'll get things onto the site.

One quick question regarding commoners passing out... in the data output, Male Pass-Out chance is 99.7%, while Femal Pass-Out chance is 0.3%. Having the male pass out just about all the time, but the woman still being good to go seems a little odd. I mean, yeah, I might be tired after sex, but so is my partner.

 

[Liquid Snake]

Great Work!

I've been reading your guide and this boards and first of all I would like to congratulate you on such an impressive work.

Now...I have a question, what exactly makes a masterwork dildo masterwork? It's a little difficult for me to imagine one. A magic dildo? Well sure, I can imagine that. In fact you should have several magic dildos (eventually, I know you're not paying attention to that section right now). A mage hand spell would make an excellent vibrator, don't you think?

Now in another sucject, so far you don't have any special rape rules. I suggest that when you do you incorporate them, you use grapple rules and define the appropiate difficulties on Prowess skill checks. Although I could imagine that a successful Intimidate skill (or several) would force a NPC into submission.

Lastly, you don't see any problems with that 22.0048% of Male orgasm in the Master/Farm Girl encounter? Maybe you should consider a special rule about lousy sex (but with orgasms) for men with totally inexperienced and motionless women.

Keep up the great work!

 

[Alzrius]

Liquid Snake had some good points, so I just want to throw out another question from the peanut gallery:

How much of this will be OGC? I can see other publishers wanting to reference this from time to time, though admittedly not often.

 

[VVrayven]

<yawn> Wow! Two newcomers. <yawn... blink...> and questions too! <rubs eyes>

How much of this will be OGC? I can see other publishers wanting to reference this from time to time, though admittedly not often.

I believe we intend on the entire mechanics and rules sections being OGC. Note I haven't asked anyone about this, but that is the assumption I think. Second. I don't think we plan on publishing offically, or maybe we do. DbS and Sorn are the people to ask about that.

Liquid Snake: Cute name. I loved Sniper Wold myself. I'll try to answer you as best I can, but I'm really sleepy! So watch out!

Dildos: Didn't write it. I'll work with it as we get to it. I guess a masterwork is smoother, better build, more lifelike.

On Rape and NC: we have yet to tackle this though we have touched on it. We will have a few bried mechanics (it is a complete guide) and maybe an eassy or two. If you want to see some of my brainwrackings about hentai stuff, talk to me off forum and on private e-mail.

As for the poor farm girl... The guy isn't trying for himself. If he was, he could use his own prowess to aid himself in the last crucial rounds before she passes out. That little write up was just so I could show the power of a +20 prowess vs a know-nothing. That make sense? Hope so, like I said, sleep....

<yawn> Night boys. VVrayven sleepy...

<catches kiss> Thanks

Anytime, hun.

 

[Gez]

*Pops out of hiding*

On a side note, I added some more material to the Online Guide. I wrote preliminaries for Sexual Orientation and PHB Alignment.

This reminds me I had wrotten some stuff about this when I was working on classes (since there was a blurb for each race, why not for each class as well). Unfortunately, the rules changed while I was working on it (no more sex tricks), and so I had stopped, however the fluff may be kept.

See this. It's a bit old, so easily forgotten, hence I repost it. No need to redo the wheel, huh ?

 

[Phantomwriterl]

Hey, I was just looking over the document on prestige classes, and for the beguiler it mentions Corrupt Lover and Break Victim as subclasses of the Prowess skill. It also mentions Pleasure Victim for the Ravager.

As these don't appear on the explanation of the skill, i was wondering how those sub-sections were supposed to work.