Adult: GUCK Development Forum again

[Sorn]

Always nice to come back from the weekend and find some interesting posts here...

Anyway...

MW Dildos: I concur with VVrayven... very well made dildos can qualify as masterwork. If you look at modern-day ones, there are highly expensive glass (or pyrex or something) ones that go for $200+. So, think hardened glass dildos, highly polished and smooth dildos, special material dildos (mithril, adamantine, etc.) and so forth.

OGC: all mechanics will be OGC. As it stands, most of the fluff will be too. If we get our hands on some fiction, this might not be OGC, depending on the writer's wishes. All artwork will remain copyright of its creator(s). There are no plans of publishing a print edition. I doubt there will ever be one. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see something I worked on in my FLGS. But, just judging on the treatment the Book of Vile Darkness received in some game stores (hidden behind the counter, shrinkwrapped on the shelf, etc), I shudder to think where this baby would end up. The only other book in this niche market (EA: Nymphology) was deemed to be profitable as a pdf download, but not viable in a print edition.

Class notes: thanks Gez, I already have an entry in the TOC, but now I actually have material to go in there. I'll put your stuff on the site in the next few hours.

Prowess Skill & PrC's: Phantomwriterl, Corrupt Lover and Break Victim used to be 'Sex Tricks'. Each rank of Prowess used to grant a new Sex Trick (like Perform does for art forms). We did away with those in favor of a proficiency system. Some of them have survived in the form of Carnal Arts or have been reconciled into said proficiencies.

The PrC's I put on the site were simply copies of the earlier version(s). They were spread across 4 different files, so I wanted to have a complete listing for people to go over. I haven't done any editing on them, so there's a lot of things that are rather obsolete right now. I'll probably do some work on them in the next few days to get them closer to the new rules.

 

[SinbadBleu]

Sorn: I like the way the web page is laid out, very clear and concise.

I may have missed this discussion but since their is PrC that be transgenered to change gendered. If you have fully functional hermaphrodite with DC targets does one use, male or female?

I understand that when one is change gendered to the other sex one use the new genders DC, but what happens when you have both? Effects arousal and prowess checks.

I understand it may still be too early to disucss such matters.

By the way anyone developed a hermaphroditic races yet?

 

[Sorn]

Thanks SinbadBleu.

PrC discussion is still a long way off. As said, I only wanted to material to be accessible in one spot without having to download 4 different files.

However, the hermaphrodite question is a valid one for the current core mechanics discussion.

Since a hermaphrodite has both genders, I'd rule that they can pick whichever is better for them at the time.

I am not too familiar with hermaphrodites, but there could be other potential modifiers as well, ranging from social penalties once their status is discovered ("Whoa... that's not supposed to be between your legs... I'm outta here.") to physical problems (not sure whether their genitals are fully functional, etc.)

Of course those issues are non-existant for people who can shapechange between sexes, but rather only for natural, non-shifting hermaphrodites.

 

[Vaxalon]

There's reality, and then there's fantasy.

Most real-world herms have one set of functioning organs, and one set that just sits there. The vast majority of them are really women with unusually large clitorises.

In a fantasy setting, however, it's perfectly fine to have both.

 

[SinbadBleu]

Sorn: Well ok but if a herm is fully functional in both sets of sexual organs then the libido will be increased, why due the increased levels of testosterone(sp), female oviaries(sp) secrete testy and so do the tecticles. So arousing a Herm would be easier in my mind.

Vaxalon:As for which sex a herm is....well one has to look to the x factors to truely tell. As they say in Singapore just because she looks female does not mean genetically she is.

Most if not all RW herms have/are genetic abnormallities like XXX, or XXY. Or it could be the sexual triggering defferentiating mechanism is get properly applied in utero.

By the way there are more herms out there than you can believe, at birth a decision was made, most times wrong, and surgery used to "Correct" the mistake.

 

[Sorn]

I understand... however, even with two functional sets of genitalia, is the impact that great to warrant an additional entry in the table? I think giving them the choice of whichever modifier is better for them is the easier way to go.

Besides, even if both sets are functional, this does not mean that they are working in a reproductive sense. E.g. a hermaphrodite might have a rudimentary penis, that is functional in the sense that it can become erect as well as a working female reproductive system. Does said herm have the potential to both father and bear children? Can he inseminate herself and effectively create a clone? I have never heard of anything like that. Given that, while a herm's hormone system might have some serious issues, but should not affect our charts.

We can't provide rules for every possible situation, and I think this will be one of them. What we can do is provide some information (such as the "pick whichever is better") and how to apply it to hermaphrodites.

 

[Death By Surfeit]

New topic soon enough....

Wotcher,

Thankyou for the contributions from the peanut gallery; it’s nice to be kept on one’s toes.

Alzrius: I cannot speak for everyone on matters of policy, but I’ll do my best to express the majority sentiment. This is a community effort, and as such the mechanics are treated as OGC as and when they are finished. We have no current plans to publish officially, but it is certainly an option; upon completion, we would like to gauge public interest, and consider doing a published copy should the means become available.

Hermaphrodism: Not too much of an outstanding issue – the majority is common sense. If necessary, I can compile a few rules here and there; I should think the area best covered by a sidebar in the section describing sexuality, and will devote my mind to it when the time comes.

Java girl: Thankyou for your extended java delvings; they have resolved a lot of the probability questions I had. The balance issues are pretty well sorted out (and I like your resist DCs), and although men fare better at lower levels and women better at higher ones, this is all too realistic.

Change to tables: drop from Aroused to nothing is possible only on a critical failure, followed by a fail on the ‘resist Arousal drop’ DC table as done by VVrayven.

The singular problem outstanding, in my opinion at least, is duration. I would like to propose a simple enough solution: ALL Arousal checks are assumed to take 1 full minute to do. In the scope of conventional sex, matters are thus worked out at the end of every minute. Checks CAN be made as a full-round action, but at a –2 penalty.

Whaddaya think? It’s a rather primitive solution, but seems workable, and is the only one to spring to mind.

Comments on the above, any other outstanding issues, or expressions of approval for current system, please post. A new topic will be started very soon, but the core mechanics will have to be finalised first. That’s it from me for now.

Cheers,

 

[VVrayven]

Hiya DbS!

Okay. I'm glad you like my stuff. Note that people almost NEVER fail a DC zero so arousal drop is almost never going to happen. Just making sure you caught that.

As for the durations. Hold for just a sec before we do anything drastic like x10 the duration-time-o-meter.

I have thought a lot about this too and have come to the following conclusions:

I'd say in modern society, people have 1-2 ranks in prowess... This means that sexual intercourse itself lasts about 10-12 rounds on average by our system which is only about a minute. This is a problem. As the average is closer to 5-6 minutes.

Now, we can go with x10 thingy, meaning that a prowess check takes a minutes to resolve. This will make average people with a rank 4 match present day stats almost perfectly.

I want to present a few things that will happen though: If we switch to a full minute action:

Only one roll in a minute right? That's ten rounds and we remove our sexual combat angle (not that I mind, just throwing out the ideas).

This also means that peaked lasts only 1 minute, which makes more sense, brink of orgasm is sustainable but disappears quickly...

And last, what happens if you are intterupted? Does the roll fail all together? If 9 of the 10 rounds were carried out is all lost? If we are presenting NC or grappling rules... How do these coinenside with our minute rules? Do you need a successful pin for 10 rounds to make a prowess check?

Just some end notes: I think the minute = prowess check is a GOOD idea. I think we should use it. I think using prowess as a full round action needs to be a FEAT and then it allows rolls at a -4 penalty. And note that Rank 5s take 210 segments on average for the man to wear himself out to pass-out stage. In minutes that would be around 2.5 hours of straight sex and foreplay, both oral and the usual with 5 orgasms, average of .5 hours between climaxes...

 

[VVrayven]

Oh NO!

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206.675.8552

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[Sorn]

Oh boy... competition... and soon too...

Anyway... let's get ours done before they do...

I concur with the minute = prowess check as well.