AHA! 3e got something right! congrats wizards of the coast!

HoH was not quite what I hoped. It was good, but after Heroes of Battle (which I very much liked) I was hoping for great. I already had the Taint mechanics (twice), and perhaps if I did not already have them I would have liked the book better.

The Auld Grump
 

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Mouseferatu said:
Indeed he is. :)

If/when you have the chance to use the material in an ongoing game, I'd love to hear about how it goes.
i put up the review i promised.

not the full thing but i don't think anyone wants to read my 5000 word spout off.
 


Mouseferatu said:
I certainly do hope it grows on you. But if not, such is life. I know better than to think everything I work in will please everybody. :)

That said, "less than half the book" is usable if people don't like taint? Taint takes up, or is at least heavily involved with, approximately:

=Six pages of optional rules in a 21-page chapter of optional rules.

=Three of eight new classes (and neither of the new base classes are among those three).

=Ten of 31 new feats.

=Three of 31 new spells.

=Four of 13 new monsters.

Plus, of course, there's the various "DM advice" chapters, which talk only a bit about taint.

Don't get me wrong. I do fully understand that people who don't want to use taint aren't going to get full use out of the book. But it's a smaller portion than a lot of people seem to feel.

And again, if the book just isn't your cup of tea, so be it. The above is presented in the hopes that it'll encourage you to take a second look, but if that second look doesn't change your overall decision, I can respect that. :)

im to understand you wrote this book? i have more third edition books than some may think, and this is the best one. the price was reasonable to me. i had been looking for a way to add more of a horror element to my game without ripping off lovecraft or putting stupid slasher villians in my game. you did a good job and should be proud. feel free to email me, i enjoy trading ideas back and forth with people for games. i am nine times out of ten DM so its good to have people to brainstorm with. i tend to look at wizards of the coast as greedy corporation that turns out bland material but if they have writers or editors (whichever role you filled) such as you turning out quality stuff, you may have just redeemed them in my opinion. job well done.
 

BroccoliRage said:
im to understand you wrote this book? i have more third edition books than some may think, and this is the best one. the price was reasonable to me. i had been looking for a way to add more of a horror element to my game without ripping off lovecraft or putting stupid slasher villians in my game. you did a good job and should be proud. feel free to email me, i enjoy trading ideas back and forth with people for games. i am nine times out of ten DM so its good to have people to brainstorm with. i tend to look at wizards of the coast as greedy corporation that turns out bland material but if they have writers or editors (whichever role you filled) such as you turning out quality stuff, you may have just redeemed them in my opinion. job well done.

Well, I certainly didn't write the whole book, but I was one of three authors on it, yes. I'm delighted to hear you liked it so much. :)

For what it's worth, I haven't met anyone in the business department at WotC, but almost everyone I've worked with on the creative side has been both good at what they do and a really nice person to work with. If there's any redeeming to be done, it certainly won't be me alone who does it. ;)
 

BroccoliRage said:
i picked up a book and it may not be current (who can keep up with all this 3.0, 3.5, 3.2 1/2 nonsense)
Two edition changes a decade is too much to keep up with? It must have been very reassuring to have the president of the United States be named Bush again. ;)
 

jester47 said:
I think heroes of Horror is worth it for the monsters and 2 core classes alone.

If you look at the Dread Necromancer carefully and your 1stEd-fu is good, you will realize that it is the 3.5 version of the White Dwarf Necromancer, or as close as you will ever get to it.

I have always wanted to have a "prayerbook" cleric.
I'm not thrilled with the Taint rules appearing again (although I understand why they have, and that they're tweaked) and the moose-headed god makes me giggle, but there's enough stuff here that it's on my list. Not at the top -- I'm likely to get a lot more out of Lords of Madness and the Fiend Folio and Sandstorm -- but this will have far more use to me than most of the Miniatures Handbook, which I bought for a few choice chapters.

In addition, I want to support WotC doing more books like this. Toolkits to tweak campaign types are very attractive and a really good idea, IMO. A Heroes of Swashbuckling Adventure + Stormwrack would make a great duo, if anyone's listening from WotC ...
 
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BroccoliRage said:
i picked up a book and it may not be current (who can keep up with all this 3.0, 3.5, 3.2 1/2 nonsense) but its called heroes of horror, and i gotta tell you it is worth the $29.95! its great! maybe im behind the times and im sure youll all be saying "dude that is SO four years ago" but im telling you im impressed. 3e has some great ideas, its just the rules system ive got beef with. but i tell you, pick up this book if you havent already.
Yeahhh, I'm not into horror. I picked up Heroes of Battle instead.
 


i picked up a book and it may not be current (who can keep up with all this 3.0, 3.5, 3.2 1/2 nonsense) but its called heroes of horror, and i gotta tell you it is worth the $29.95! its great! maybe im behind the times and im sure youll all be saying "dude that is SO four years ago" but im telling you im impressed. 3e has some great ideas, its just the rules system ive got beef with. but i tell you, pick up this book if you havent already.

Weird. I've looked at it several times, and each time I passed to choose some other sourcebook instead. Today, I chose Stormwrack, Sandstorm and the Miniatures Handbook instead of Heroes of Horror. Maybe that's because I have Ravenloft books, Vampire the Masquerade books, played Cthulhu in d20 and not d20, but I don't see what Heroes of Horrors could bring to my table.

What do you find so awesome in this book?
 

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