Alienist

Rkhet

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Keeping in mind the Alienist's power to apply the Preternatural template to her summons without upping the spell level, how many of you, as DMs, would allow the PrC?
 

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Rkhet said:
Keeping in mind the Alienist's power to apply the Preternatural template to her summons without upping the spell level, how many of you, as DMs, would allow the PrC?

Pseudonatural, actually, and it replaces the fiendish or celestial template on the summoned monster. ;)

Alienist is, imho, one of the best-designed prestige classes out there. It is well-balanced. Not only would I allow it imc, I play one in another campaign.
 

Summon Monster III is roughly CR2. Pseudonatural, however, adds 16 to creature CR...

Not to mention the caster level 20, at-will abilities.

<edit: oops. I was looking at the epic-handbook version. silly me. The following still stands, though.>

Also the fact that the alienist gets two metamagic feats over seven levels - earlier than the pure wizard, who gets his over ten levels and nothing else.
 


With a 3.5 alienist, you can't summon any non-templated creatures. You are restricted to summoning creatures that already have a celestial or fiendish template, which is then replaced by the pseudonatural template.

That said, assuming you permited it to be applied to non-templated creatures, it's a relatively insignificant boost to the power of the creatures in my experience. The only substantial gain in power is the true strike and that's only 1/day. The ER and DR are nice, but rarely make that much of a difference given the low HP and AC of most summoned creatures. Personally, I wouldn't mind simply letting it be applied to any creature on the summoning list. It just doesn't make that much of a difference given how weak summoned creatures are.
 

Yeah. I was looking at the SRD version of pseudonatural. Heh.

But even this aside, Alienists get their metamagics earlier, they get Perfect Self and Timeless body, and an extra spell slot. In other words, why would anyone take straight Wizard or straight Sorcerer over this?
 

Rkhet said:
In other words, why would anyone take straight Wizard or straight Sorcerer over this?
That question applies to quite a large number of prestige classes and for other core classes, too. The answer is highly campaign dependent and in the case where every class is allowed, there is no reason other than flavor, or the plan to go into epic levels of a core class.
 

Rkhet said:
But even this aside, Alienists get their metamagics earlier, they get Perfect Self and Timeless body, and an extra spell slot. In other words, why would anyone take straight Wizard or straight Sorcerer over this?

You have to blow two feats on the class, and they aren't great feats by any means.
 

Just one, actually: Augmented Summoning. It ain't that bad. And a sorcerer that takes this later gets two free metamagic feats.
 

I have to agree it's better than straight sorcerer, in just about all cases.

I do not consider this to be a problem with the Alienist, however... ;)
 

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