"All halflings are heterosexual."

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Driddle said:
??? Not even if they disrupt a gaming situation?
I'm pretty sure we've discussed racial genocide here as well. And the chastity pledges of paladin characters. Chances are we could even spin off a good thread about underage drinking, too (after all, my 17-year-old mage saunters into local taverns all the time).

It might be interesting to review the official list of "modern-day" social issues.


I think that what he was getting at was that the conversation was possibly getting away from discussion about the in game world. The other discussions stayed in context of the gaming world but the problem comes about when in this case the thread could degenerate into a debate on real world homosexuality as opposed to how it applied to the game.
 

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I think Darkness was just telling me to lay off. I don't think anyone else has anything to worry about. Instructions received. 10-4.
 

Captain Tagon said:
I think that what he was getting at was that the conversation was possibly getting away from discussion about the in-game world. ...

Ah.
I'll rein in my hubris, then.
 

fusangite said:
I think Darkness was just telling me to lay off. I don't think anyone else has anything to worry about. Instructions received. 10-4.
Well, since he was quoting me when he said it...

Not exactly controversial social issues, but non-gaming related, and had no business being brought up. I get it.
 

Driddle said:
Not even if they disrupt a gaming situation?
Search for the quotes. They go well beyond gaming.

Further, if you have comments or questions regarding a moderator post, please e-mail me - don't hijack the thread. This goes for everyone. Thanks.

edit - Yes, I was addressing Joshua, but it also was a general statement.
 
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For the record, I wish that more people would, when they feel marginalized, mistreated, or put upon, simply walk away. This solution isn't as good as engaging in civil discourse with whomever propted the feelings initially, but it's a whole heck of a lot better than lighting into a hateful tirade, engaging in personal attacks, or bringing to the gaming table issues best avoided.

While we don't have the full context here, I think that it is entirely possible that the GM here was broaching a subject that would have been better left alone. If there are problems with a player, I generally think that they should be brought up privately. If the GM's remarks were for the benefit of this player, perhaps he should have addressed the issue privately.

He may be homophobic, or he may feel that this player's maturity is such that she will play a character in such a way as to detract from the game.

We just don't know.

Maybe her departure had nothing to do with this guy's remarks. Maybe her pager was on silent and no one noticed that she just got a page from her jerk boyfriend or husband and she was so miffed at being pulled away from the gaming table, she couldn't excuse herself politely.

The issue is intriguing, I admit, but without more information, it's too difficult to make a meaningful inference.

As for whether I've ever had anything like this come up in my games: Sort of. A friend we used to game with once played an extraordinarily effeminate PC. The PC was straight, as I recall, but very effeminate. The funny thing about it, besides the character's wild in-game antics (bard who thought he was a fighter) was that the player is openly gay and not at all effeminate. This guy is one of the most genuinely masculine people I've ever met, but put him in a roll where he's playing a flamer, and wacky hilarity ensues.
 

Joshua Dyal said:
It's unfortunate that the player would be so hell-bent on a character concept that clearly made the GM uncomfortable enough to ban. A little empathy on both sides could have probably helped out a lot.

Consider the possibility that the player was not hell-bent on the character concept at all, but that the player was herself gay, and didn't feel like playing with a DM who so openly broadcasted his discomfort with gays.

This is not like saying, "No halflings are paladins." There are actual gay people in the world, many have long experience with being excluded in both subtle and unsubtle ways, and they have feelings.

The Spectrum Rider
 
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Rackhir said:
Very few of the D&D games I've ever been in have involved anything in the way of romantic entanglements, never mind sex. So sexual orientation hasn't ever really been an issue.

It sound like a case of wanting to impose real world beliefs on the campaign world. Given that characters are typically a reflection of some aspect of a player's personality. Then assuming (and it might be a big one) that the womay was gay, it could be a key aspect of what she feels makes her, herself. So she may have wanted her character to have reflected that part of her self.

However, homosexuality still makes a lot of people uncomfortable. Hell, sex period still makes a lot of people uncomfortable. So even if it is something they may not be bothered by abstractly, having it shoved in their face may make it something they don't want to deal with.

Then say, "Sexual orientation plays no role in my game." Don't single out gays as being somehow "about sex" and heterosexuals as not.

The Spectrum Rider
 

I can only really ever remember one time when my character's sexuality had any real relevance. We were playing a Star Wars campaign, and my character was a Noble that I had in large part modeled on a little 4'10" tall lesbian girl I had been friends with in high school. (Much like that girl, my character had a tendency in combat to make full out hand-to-hand attacks on much larger opponents - and usually win! :D ) At one point early in the campaign, she attracted the attention of a male noble from another world she was on at the time, who began to try to court her - sending gifts that would arrive at whatever world she happened to be on and so forth. At one point, he even provided material support to the party via the Noble's "Call In A Favor" ability. My character was uncomfortable with his approaches, because she didn't "swing that way", but he was very sweet and kept his distance, and by the time the campaign was over, she was considering marrying him for political reasons. (Her parents were probably going to insist on this at some point with some foreign noble anyway, for their advantage, and so better she at least like the guy. ;) )

Like Henry said, speculation on that specific situation would be in poor taste without sufficient info, but just speaking in general, I can't imagine sexuality being anything the DM would make rules about, unless he or she had rules up front for the campaign that explained certain aspects. This race has THREE sexes, and Orcs don't breed as prolifically in this world because they have a 60% incidence of homosexuality - stuff like that. Or unless they were rules regarding not wanting GRAPHIC portrayals at their table......
 

The Spectrum Rider said:
This is not like saying, "No halflings are paladins." There are actual gay people in the world....
HEY! There are ACTUAL PALADINS in the world, too, pal! Watch it! :D
 

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